Hi just NOT HAPPY to say the least

Historian Castle
Week 4 Crown Inn Handicap 2m 2f 0-80 Handicap

1st Reicfall Rating 58
2nd Paper rose Raying 79
3rd HISTORIAN CLASSICAL Rating 73

Week 5 Kranji Stayers Handicap 0-80

1st HISTORIAN CASTLE Runs off rating 76
2nd Day By Day runs off Rating 75
3rd Cleftessi runs off Rating 77
4th Reicfall runs off Rating 64

Handicap Rating in Stable Now

HISTORIAN CASTLE NOW 96 ? 20 Rise in Ratings ? is AI handcapping gone Mad ?
DAY BY DAY Now 85 10pt Rise ?
Cleftessi Now 85 8pt Rise ?
Reicfall No Change

all first 3 home got massive jump in weights? for 0-80 Handicap?

Think i'am moaning watch this next one

VISAGE
Week 4 Boodles Diamond Handicap 7f 0-90

8th Visage Rating 64

Week 5

Race 38 Sandeman Handicap 0-70 7f 3 Horse Race

1st Visage Runs off rating 64
2nd Bronze Badge Runs off rating 55
3rd Empty Class Runs Off Rating 62

Ratings After Race

VISAGE Rating Now 115 how come after running in low handicaps all Season wins a 3 horse 0-70 handicap hes now a group 1 horse?

I believe it might be because it was run in South Africa at Durbanville Leon can i get rating adjustment on this plater Please and other trainers check your donkeys if they win abroad in handicaps.

Gray

9l win at a canter, seems about right.........

Not exactly the same but the Ai does seem a lot slower to drop handicaps not a problem if race bands are adjusted slightly. My flat team is at best below average however cant get into them lower handicaps this week at Ascot. Any chance the bands are getting adjusted for the hunters this week Stu. Can’t even get my donkeys in them that’s been failing to win all year in them.

I genuinely think the handicapping doesn't make a huge amount of difference and a lot of it is more the ability at certain tracks/grounds etc. Imhoteps Curse won a 3 runner race and went up 28lb! But then somehow, finished 2nd in it's next race off 88, and is now off 93 haha. This isn't a ploy, this is a horse that plodded around last year picked up a few lowly races and really hasn't improved from 3 to 4. A lot of horses do rack up sequence wins regardless of rises which just gives me a hunch that I don't think handicapping makes anywhere near a difference as it would in real life per say. I would agree with Matt that the average handicap does tend to be much higher, which is causing some very small fields at the lowest level, on both codes and it's probably worth raising each band by 5/10 at the lower level.

Not quite Ai dealing with the handicaps.

Its, as far as I am aware the in game SO that provides marks & I think everyone would agree that its not ideal for the league & the current schedule.

I think most of the handicaps 0-70,80 & 90 need raising by 10 on the flat, although those 70/80's do give the lesser trainers good opportunities to get wins.

Most of the mid trainers, are in no-mans land, high marks 90+ and they are no match for the better trainers in anything 0-100 and above, which most of the top boys can still get in and win off top weight.

That all being said, we knew what the handicapping was going to be this season and all were desperate to get a season in before 08, we are fortunate that Leon put together something that needs less work regarding volunteers and the poisoned chalice that is handicapping. I am pretty certain back in SO5/6 we tried using the in game handicapping and if I remember rightly the season did not finish due to it.

The Hunt is a little easier on marks & there is a wider scope of handicap races.

If Leon reads this and wants to up the hunters great, but I dont want to hassell him if still not 100%.

Id be happy to handicap if we cut stable sizes and the ridiculous 80 races a week, not hard to see why no-one will do it with anything up to 600+ flat horses to look at each week, quality rather then quantity is the way to go.

I'd agree with all of this, looking this week the fields aren't actually too bad for the chance of the 0-70 trainers to get an Ascot win without the presence of the 0-90 crew.

As mentioned the only option is to up the bands but it's really not the biggest issue in the world and we don't need to be piling more stress on Leon to change things!

Going back to manual handicapping would be a nightmare no one has the time to do the handicapping. We need more automation not less just with a few tweaks for next season.

If it's just the low handicap races abroad, can we change the tracks

Quick look: these are the low handicaps abroad for the rest of the season

Flat

7 39 Autumn Carnival Ends Handicap Flemington 45,000 3+ Open 0-70
8 29 Hippo Maronas H'Cap Stakes Deauville 40,000 3+ Open 0-95
8 37 Sapling Stakes Handicap Oceanport 40,000 2YO Open 0-80
8 39 Eatontown Handicap Oceanport 100,000 3+ Fillies 0-70
9 37 Gallop Club Iffezheim Baden Baden 20,000 3+ Open 0-90
9 38 Hoppegarten Handicap Baden Baden 20,000 3+ Open 0-70
9 39 Holty Stakes Baden Baden 20,000 2YO Open 0-70
9 40 Baden Baden Stakes Baden Baden 40,000 3+ Open 0-100
9 41 Hoppegarten Baden Handicap Baden Baden 20,000 3+ Open 0-90
10 37 Flame Of Tara Nursery Curragh 50,000 2YO Open 0-90
10 38 Anglesey Handicap Curragh 15,000 3+ Open 0-85
10 39 Irish Field Handicap Curragh 15,000 3+ Open 0-90
10 40 Irish Selling Stakes Curragh 12,000 2YO Open 0-70
11 10 Horse Racing Abroad Handicap Longchamp 40,000 3+ Open 0-90
11 36 Racing It's A Rush Handicap Turf1 Fairview 30,000 3+ Open 0-90
11 37 It's A Rush Handicap Turf1 Fairview 30,000 3+ Open 0-90
11 39 Aviation Brokers Handicap Turf2 Turffontein 50,000 3+ Open 0-70
11 41 World Sports Betting Sprint Dirt1 Flamingo 40,000 3+ Open 0-100
11 42 William Hill Mile Leg 4 Flamingo Park 70,000 3+ Open 0-85
12 4 Le Mosse Handicap Saint-Cloud 25,000 3+ Open 0-100
12 7 Eyrefield Nusery Stakes Leopardstown 35,000 2YO Open 0-85
12 8 Leopardstown Club Members Handicap Leopardst 22,000 3+ Open 0-95
12 9 Movember Handicap Leopardstown 60,000 3+ Open 0-100
12 10 Club Members Handicap Leopardstown 22,000 3+ Open 0-85
12 17 PJR Quality Flemington 100,000 Open 0-100
12 18 UcantbeSirius Cup Flemington 100,000 Open 0-80
12 19 The Steve Rann Sprint Flemington 100,000 Open 0-85
12 20 The Murray Mile Flemington 100,000 Open 0-75
12 24 Pin Au Haras Handicap Deauville 25,000 2YO 0-80
12 25 Le Mans Handicap Longchamp 25,000 3+ Open 0-100
12 41 Commentator Stakes Toronto 30,000 3+ Open 0-100
12 42 Canada Crystal Cup Toronto 500,000 3+ 90-130
12 43 Canada Bronze Cup Toronto 250,000 3+ 0-90
13 11 Autumn Handicap Nakayama 850,000 3+ Open
13 12 Keissi Hai Autumn Handicap Nakayama 850,000 3+ Open
13 32 Full Flight Handicap Turf1 Kenilworth 25,000 3+ Open 0-70
13 34 Summer Of Champions Plate Turf2 Kenilworth 25,000 2YO Open 0-70
13 36 Turffontein Handicap Turf2 Turffontein 30,000 3+ Open 0-90
13 38 Phoenix Sun Durban Dash Dirt1 Greyville 25,000 3+ Open 0-70


NH

8 29 EBF Mares H'cap Hurdle Thurles 25,000 5+ Mares H'Cap Hurdle 20 130
9 17 Matheson Handicap Steeplechase Leopardstown 60,000 5+ Open H'Cap Chase 17 140
9 32 William Fry Handicap Hurdle Leopardstown 60,000 5+ Open H'Cap Hurdle 24 140
9 35 Gaelic Plant Hire H'cap Chase Leopardstown 50,000 5+ Open H'Cap Chase 21 120
11 36 Captain Tim Forster Hunters Chase Sligo 10,000 5+ Open Hunters Chase 16 100
11 37 Members Open Hunters Chase Sligo 10,000 5+ Open Hunters Chase 20 100
11 38 Crisp Memorial Chase Sligo 10,000 5+ Open Hunters Chase 24 100
11 39 Tralee Open Hunters National Chase Sligo 50,000 5+ Open Hunters Chase 32 100
12 2 MasterChef Handicap Hurdle Punchestown 25,000 4+ Open H'Cap Hurdle 16
12 5 LFH Juvenile Handicap Hurdle Punchestown 36,000 4YO Open 0-110 16 110
12 9 Irish Sun Chase Punchestown 20,000 5+ Open H'Cap Chase 16 140
12 10 Guinness Handicap Chase Punchestown 64,000 5+ Open H'Cap Chase 20 140
12 20 Setanta Handicap Hurdle Punchestown 64,000 5+ Open H'Cap Hurdle 20 140
13 12 Prix Hardatit Listed H'cap Hurdle Auteuil 100,000 4+ Open H'Cap Hurdle 17 140
13 15 Nort Sur Erdre H'cap Hurdle Auteuil 40,000 5+ Open H'Cap Hurdle 20 120
13 16 Prix Katho H'Cap Chase Auteuil 50,000 5+ Open H'Cap Chase 21 120

I think i could make these changes on the league website to save Leon work if he agrees
I also agree that 0-70 handicaps may need changing to 0-80 and the hunters to 110 for the second half of the season, also can't go back to manual handicapping; it's just too much work, but need someone to change obvious rating mistakes, I could do this too on the website, but I'm not sure if the ratings transfers to horse files

If we are changing tracks on the flat could I request my home tracks Nottingham and where I live now Hamilton.

Looking at the flat horses this morning, I noticed that the game or is it AI now? hasn't been rating the horses higher after they perform well in English Group races.
It seems that more work on handicapping needs to be done than initially thought.

NH horse ratings are moving up after winning and performing well in English Group races, but only slightly by a few lbs- not enough. So the issue is with English Group races. Group races abroad seem fine, but not for low handicaps


Not sure when Leon can fix this problem though I think he's still really unwell, he's not even done is horse nominations this week