If one person is not willing to take on board any ideas or suggestions from other trainers then that person should not be making any decisions to do with the league. Progress can always be achieved but only if a community works as a team.

The schedule needed work and the rules looked at. Surely this should happen every season? When people said things about the new schedule Rich didn't just dismiss their ideas or thoughts.

It would be good to let the community decide which route they'd like to take with the schedule and the rules.

H everyone thanks for the support

how about i open a vote for distance rules and a vote for schedule

then we can get everyones ideas on board

we will need someone to design the schedule that the majority decide on

Paul if you can post the schedule Dave has got. We can go from there. The less changes to that schedule the quicker the league can start.

I have to say PJ, for the long term then I completely agree with you. Schedules, distances and rules need looking at. But the league has been delayed for so long now that is it not better it gets underway sooner rather than partaking in many more months of discussions? Often they get nowhere.

I think the distance +/- furlong rules are very important, but Steve didn't agree. But his ideas meant that the league would be underway sooner, rather than having to sit down and write a new rule book. I would vote to get it going, then take the summer to discuss rules and come up with a set of rules and regulations and a schedule that can be easily understood and that the general consensus agree with.

will we go with the one rich was going to do this season

i will open a vote on distance rules s that was a cause of aggravation

ya i agree
but this was the cause of major aggravation was the distance rules
i think we need to iron that out wont take long a 2day vote would do if you agree
as leon said the schedule would take up time

Two weeks ago we were waiting for Dave to get TOM done and we were going to go with an agreed schedule that everyone had seen and had agreed +/- rules.

Steve came and insisted on his way or the highway. Well he's picked the highway, so what has changed from two weeks ago that we need to revisit the schedule and rules?

Surely the best way forward is to run a season that we all want to see? Changes can be made going forwards IMO after the 1st season is run. FWIW I think a stable of 20 would prevent dominance. With a stable of 30 I'll be able to field a minimum of two horses to cover distance and running conditions in every 3/3+ race I run. In fact looking at how some of them run I'll probably have a choice of 3/4 at distances between 6-10f.

Yes please, this is what I have (probably very inarticulately) been trying to say!

Max stable size of 20, maidens every week, max field of 16 in Group races.

Agreed

We all agreed on a stable of 20 for the flat and 30 for NH. We will go back to this if everyone is agreed.

The schedule was agreed on by most. If we all happy with this the league can start sooner rather than later.

Deciding on distance spreads won't cause any delay with the start of the league. Nor will stable size for that matter. The only delay may have been the schedule. But the odd change won't be a big issue. A total overhaul will be. Dave has the schedule Rich posted.

ya agree with 20 and current schedule
the vote on distance rules is opened and wont cause any delays to start
it seemed to be the major issue so would like to vote on it and get it sorted and finished for this season
we will go with the majority want is everyone is happy with that

ah thats great that Dave has Rich schedule
if everyone is happy we will go with this

and then we can all discuss the future this summer

20 for flat 30 for jump stable size sounds perfect for me..and yes i agree on just staying on rich schedule at the moment and i the summer we can discuss it..so we will still have the gamebred races?becoz i got a grey mare thats a beast over 1 mile..Her name is Helms Deep

Ok I am lost for words sorry I don't like the new Flat schedule at all 20 horses a stable is absolute rubbish IMO but I wont be having a flat stable I thought steve's ideas and schedule was better more handicaps than group races is better although I kind of agree with some that a furlong either side of the horse's maiden run would be fine.

I am disappointed to see steve go again he puts a lot of effort in the league with the Schedules previews etc. and why we just couldn't let season 1 go ahead without all this bickering is beyond me.

Hi Simpleminds

Steve wont be involved any more and that is disappointing but i completely understand
why he has withdrawn it was clear that he was not wanted by some and his inclusion would cause agrivation
i find this to be a big shame he was willing to do so much
Steve only wanted to enforce rules that would suit his schedule & effectively and importantly make it work and was open to ideas but it all kicked off

I really believe its an impossible task to keep everyone happy
i have found the last 24 hours to be very tough and find it amazing how much conflict there was
i really tried to do everything for the best but it was not good enough

we now only have 1 schedule to work with and that is rich's the one he planned to use this season anyway
starting another Leon has said this would cause delays to start

we no longer have a handicapper or anyone to run the races

i no from Leon that he is close to having the NHC side sorted a few roles to fill but everything is in place
on the flat side we are a bit back to square one