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nashwan wrote:

Still happy days on here I see lol
How are you all?

Nasty Nas8 wrote:

pjrhodes1970 wrote:

No Not particularly happy with the decision and going for the Juddmonte taking on GH at his ideal distance is
also not the way i would have gone either but will be some race

It certainly would be, but it's not going to happen.

As I said, it's not going to happen. I know Frankel didn't go beyond a mile at 3, but at least his connections were sporting enough to keep him in training at 4; as we know, business, and not the sport, comes first with Coolmore.

Nasty Nas8 wrote:

pjrhodes1970 wrote:

No Not particularly happy with the decision and going for the Juddmonte taking on GH at his ideal distance is
also not the way i would have gone either but will be some race

It certainly would be, but it's not going to happen.

Nasty Nas8 wrote:

pjrhodes1970 wrote:

No Not particularly happy with the decision and going for the Juddmonte taking on GH at his ideal distance is
also not the way i would have gone either but will be some race

It certainly would be, but it's not going to happen.

At least in the stallion brochure next year Coolmore can say that they were desperate to run Gleneagles in the Juddmonte International, but they just didn't want to risk him on ground he has already won on in the past.

pjrhodes1970 wrote:

THATS WHY YOU DONT RUN HORSES ON UN IDEAL GOING
Time Test?

ghostzapper74 wrote:

And I've said don't believe the hype about Golden Horn, not good enough to win on good ground. I'm sick and tired of the all the hype theses horses are getting, go out and prove it on the course. These trainer's and so called expert pundits talk out of their backside. It more about the hype these days than what they do on the course.

Nasty Nas8 wrote:

ghostzapper74 wrote:

Has Golden Horn not gone out there and proved himself on the course then?

Author:	pjrhodes1970 [ Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:41 pm ]
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nashwan wrote: Still happy days on here I see lol How are you all? Great mate how's you

Author:	pjrhodes1970 [ Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:56 pm ]
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Nasty Nas8 wrote: Nasty Nas8 wrote: pjrhodes1970 wrote: No Not particularly happy with the decision and going for the Juddmonte taking on GH at his ideal distance is also not the way i would have gone either but will be some race It certainly would be, but it's not going to happen. As I said, it's not going to happen. I know Frankel didn't go beyond a mile at 3, but at least his connections were sporting enough to keep him in training at 4; as we know, business, and not the sport, comes first with Coolmore. OH REALLY? It's Happening

Author:	PeterS94 [ Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:51 pm ]
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cant help but think this is a stupid decision. Why not run in france on sunday. All they've banged on about this year has been about him being a proper miler.

Author:	pjrhodes1970 [ Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:34 am ]
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I think everyone has what they want now may the best horse win may they all come home safe who ever wins will be exceptional the looser will loose little in defeat GAME ON

Author:	PeterS94 [ Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:58 pm ]
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Looks like it would be a suprise if we get good to firm what aiden wants, might have to wait longer.. bloodly weather.

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Author:	pjrhodes1970 [ Sat Aug 15, 2015 4:18 am ]
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last i hear the ground was good at York now and it expected to dry out from now until Wednesday so good chance of G/F hopefully no reason not to run on good IMO

Author:	Nasty Nas8 [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:49 pm ]
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Nasty Nas8 wrote: pjrhodes1970 wrote: No Not particularly happy with the decision and going for the Juddmonte taking on GH at his ideal distance is also not the way i would have gone either but will be some race It certainly would be, but it's not going to happen. At least in the stallion brochure next year Coolmore can say that they were desperate to run Gleneagles in the Juddmonte International, but they just didn't want to risk him on ground he has already won on in the past.

Author:	pjrhodes1970 [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:45 pm ]
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Nasty Nas8 wrote: Nasty Nas8 wrote: pjrhodes1970 wrote: No Not particularly happy with the decision and going for the Juddmonte taking on GH at his ideal distance is also not the way i would have gone either but will be some race It certainly would be, but it's not going to happen. At least in the stallion brochure next year Coolmore can say that they were desperate to run Gleneagles in the Juddmonte International, but they just didn't want to risk him on ground he has already won on in the past. THATS WHY YOU DONT RUN HORSES ON UN IDEAL GOING Time Test?

Author:	PeterS94 [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:47 pm ]
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Thats why Golden Horn shouldnt have ran on ground that didnt suit. Proves how much you lot know. Aiden knows best ey regards to Gleneagles. John Gosden should have followed suit.

Author:	PeterS94 [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:48 pm ]
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It certainly would be, but it's not going to happen.[/quote] At least in the stallion brochure next year Coolmore can say that they were desperate to run Gleneagles in the Juddmonte International, but they just didn't want to risk him on ground he has already won on in the past.[/quote] THATS WHY YOU DONT RUN HORSES ON UN IDEAL GOING Time Test?[/quote] Add Golden Horn to that.

Author:	ghostzapper74 [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:56 pm ]
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The flat racing is a disgrace, I cant wait to proper racing starts next month. I hope it rains until November and we never see Gleneagles again. Just retire him and claim he's the best ever. And I've said don't believe the hype about Golden Horn, not good enough to win on good ground. I'm sick and tired of the all the hype theses horses are getting, go out and prove it on the course. These trainer's and so called expert pundits talk out of their backside. It more about the hype these days than what they do on the course. I was listening to 5 live before the off , I got of the bus and was running to watch it live and they said he was getting close to being in the same breath as Sea the Stars and Frankel, please shut up.

Author:	Nasty Nas8 [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:57 pm ]
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pjrhodes1970 wrote: THATS WHY YOU DONT RUN HORSES ON UN IDEAL GOING Time Test? Having said that, I would imagine you are going retract your comments regarding Flintshire not running in the King George? I thought Time Test ran a lovely race. I'm sure the experience won't be lost on him. What was your opinion?

Author:	Nasty Nas8 [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:59 pm ]
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ghostzapper74 wrote: And I've said don't believe the hype about Golden Horn, not good enough to win on good ground. I'm sick and tired of the all the hype theses horses are getting, go out and prove it on the course. These trainer's and so called expert pundits talk out of their backside. It more about the hype these days than what they do on the course. Has Golden Horn not gone out there and proved himself on the course then?

Author:	ghostzapper74 [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:06 pm ]
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Nasty Nas8 wrote: ghostzapper74 wrote: And I've said don't believe the hype about Golden Horn, not good enough to win on good ground. I'm sick and tired of the all the hype theses horses are getting, go out and prove it on the course. These trainer's and so called expert pundits talk out of their backside. It more about the hype these days than what they do on the course. Has Golden Horn not gone out there and proved himself on the course then? Yes a Good/Very Good horse at this moment but not the Greatest ever that people was putting him in. When a horse retires then look back at what he did then u will have the whole picture, every good horse that comes along now get put in that bracket( there were good horses in the past) racing didn't just start to be good in the last 10 years. Perhaps hype sells, but it doesn't impress me. I don't need people to tell me who's great.

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Author:	pjrhodes1970 [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:12 pm ]
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Frankie confirms the ground got the better of Golden Horn and he did not fire on it The ground is very tacky and i have no doubt Gleneagles would have been beaten today too Golden Horn and Gleneagles are 2 hugely commercial and valuable Sires prospects 1 was unbeaten 1 unbeaten at 3yo they had far far more to loose than flintshire did. And I think that Frankie & John Gosden's comments after the race confirm they think they made a mistake in running. Do you Not think today has effected his potential standing fee you bet your bottom dollar it has. At the end of the Day Flat Racing is driven by Breeding and what a horse can make after racing there are rare occasions when racing comes first as in Frankels case fair play to owners keeping him in training at 4 more should be made of that gesture but whether we like it or not that is a rarity but thats how it works.