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pjrhodes1970
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Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15148 Location: Republic of Ireland
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Re: Flat discussion
Nasty Nas8 wrote: nashwan wrote: Hamdan has his sub for Fayhdan bring on Estidhkaar I forgot all about him for 10 to follow You've got to love that colts attitude; he had his head down in determined fashioned once the winner went by him. He may not be as classy as the likes of Full Mast but that will to win will see him in the winners' enclosure more often than not. Estidhkaar ran a solid trial i love how on social media before the race alot of people said it was all quality Dont see how after the fact the same people can say it was a poor race. Zawraq surely has to go to the Guineas now. I did think at he time that timeform calling Belardo the best 2yo in europe was a poor call I Like your confidence in Full Mast Matt but sill think Gleneagles was hard done by in the PJL Gleneagles blew right by him with a serious turn of foot but Full Mast stayed on well late Guess its a game of opinions and as always time will answer all questions.
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Pricey
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Re: Flat discussion
Nasty Nas8 wrote: nashwan wrote: Hamdan has his sub for Fayhdan bring on Estidhkaar I forgot all about him for 10 to follow You've got to love that colts attitude; he had his head down in determined fashioned once the winner went by him. He may not be as classy as the likes of Full Mast but that will to win will see him in the winners' enclosure more often than not. Decided to take a punt on Estidhkaar on Friday as he was still 25/1 for the 2000, the attitude he showed yesterday was superb and I'm sure Hannon can bring him on and finish in the money.
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Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:43 am |
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Nasty Nas8
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Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:22 pm Posts: 333 Location: North London
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Re: Flat discussion
pjrhodes1970 wrote: I Like your confidence in Full Mast Matt but sill think Gleneagles was hard done by in the PJL Gleneagles blew right by him with a serious turn of foot but Full Mast stayed on well late Guess its a game of opinions and as always time will answer all questions. Difference is, Gleneagles was the full package at 2, where as in all his races Thierry Thulliez was desperate to hold onto Full Mast because of his immaturity; Full Mast will progress this year but there has to be a question of whether Gleneagles will be even better. Incidentally, Full Mast won't be at Newmarket and he is struggling to make it to Longchamp as well.
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Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:19 pm |
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pjrhodes1970
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Re: Flat discussion
Wow did you see that turn of foot in Japan 2000 Guineas by Duramente machine >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjL3h2Bo9G4 …
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Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:22 pm |
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pjrhodes1970
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Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15148 Location: Republic of Ireland
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Re: Flat discussion
Nasty Nas8 wrote: pjrhodes1970 wrote: I Like your confidence in Full Mast Matt but sill think Gleneagles was hard done by in the PJL Gleneagles blew right by him with a serious turn of foot but Full Mast stayed on well late Guess its a game of opinions and as always time will answer all questions. Difference is, Gleneagles was the full package at 2, where as in all his races Thierry Thulliez was desperate to hold onto Full Mast because of his immaturity; Full Mast will progress this year but there has to be a question of whether Gleneagles will be even better. Incidentally, Full Mast won't be at Newmarket and he is struggling to make it to Longchamp as well. Gleneagles has done well over the winter they are very excited about him he is still not my pick for the Guineas though
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Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:26 pm |
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Nasty Nas8
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Re: Flat discussion
pjrhodes1970 wrote: Gleneagles has done well over the winter they are very excited about him he is still not my pick for the Guineas though To be fair, I'm yet to hear of a Classic contender who hasn't done well over the Winter, but, with Full Mast out of the way, his form is the best on offer at this stage. I know you like Highland Reel but as I have said before that Goodwood race is possibly the worst 2yo Group form from last year. I know you're going to quote his jockey but given connections' philosophy of creating stallions he is bound to say something like that.
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Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:42 pm |
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pjrhodes1970
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Re: Flat discussion
Nasty Nas8 wrote: pjrhodes1970 wrote: Gleneagles has done well over the winter they are very excited about him he is still not my pick for the Guineas though To be fair, I'm yet to hear of a Classic contender who hasn't done well over the Winter, but, with Full Mast out of the way, his form is the best on offer at this stage. I know you like Highland Reel but as I have said before that Goodwood race is possibly the worst 2yo Group form from last year. I know you're going to quote his jockey but given connections' philosophy of creating stallions he is bound to say something like that. No nothing to do with any comments just my gut feeling its been badly wrong in the past & will be wrong again but has on occasion steered me in the right direction I know his form amounts to nothing guess i have a soft spot for him. I Usually use the motto trust the form book & Nothing else but what the hay They would much prefer Gleneagles to win over Highland Reel Gleneagles out of a Storm Cat Mare there are Plenty Galileo Danehill Cross at stud
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Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:55 pm |
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Nasty Nas8
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Re: Flat discussion
There is a real nice colt at Longchamp tomorrow by the name of Tale Of Life. The Niarchos Family owned son of Deep Impact won his sole start at 2 at Saint-Cloud from a colt I really like in Pilansberg. He holds Classic engagements in France, as well as Newmarket, and he is also a grandson of legendary racemare Miesque. He is up against a promising Juddmonte colt called New Bay, but I think he'll have too much for him.
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Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:40 pm |
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pjrhodes1970
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Re: Flat discussion
Looking Forward to Father Frost tomorrow at Cork tons of ability but not the most straight forward Could be a future G1 horse but time will tell and the form the team in today very much best watched 1st time out.
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Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:02 pm |
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Nasty Nas8
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Re: Flat discussion
Nasty Nas8 wrote: There is a real nice colt at Longchamp tomorrow by the name of Tale Of Life. The Niarchos Family owned son of Deep Impact won his sole start at 2 at Saint-Cloud from a colt I really like in Pilansberg. He holds Classic engagements in France, as well as Newmarket, and he is also a grandson of legendary racemare Miesque. He is up against a promising Juddmonte colt called New Bay, but I think he'll have too much for him. It seems I underestimated the Juddmonte colt, New Bay. Ohh well, at least I can't be accused of being biased.
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Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:36 pm |
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Cairns123
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Re: Flat discussion
Thought that Greenham was the best trial by a long way for the guineas, track record, first 2 pulled clear of Ivawood, and Ivawood was 4 lengths ahead of 4th. Thought the 20/1 i took for estidkhaar for 2000 guineas after it won the July stakes was looking down after its final run last season, but may still have a chance. I just love the horse's attitude.
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pjrhodes1970
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Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15148 Location: Republic of Ireland
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Re: Flat discussion
pjrhodes1970 wrote: Looking Forward to Father Frost tomorrow at Cork tons of ability but not the most straight forward Could be a future G1 horse but time will tell and the form the team in today very much best watched 1st time out. Nice debut Father Frost bad draw carrying plenty of condition perfect ride by Joseph alot to like about that Debut Father Frost 7 Furlong Maiden Cork 20/04/2015 Replay >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTURG7r ... e=youtu.be
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Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:19 pm |
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Nasty Nas8
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Re: Flat discussion
pjrhodes1970 wrote: Nice debut Father Frost bad draw carrying plenty of condition perfect ride by Joseph alot to like about that Debut From what I saw of him beforehand, he only looked a piece of work off full fitness. I would say he'll improve more mentally than physical.
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nashwan
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Joined: Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:45 pm Posts: 951 Location: Thailand
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Re: Flat discussion
I think Zawraq won't run in the Guineas I think he will stay in Ireland at 1m2 & then have a pop at the Derby. Hamdan has Estidhkaar who ran a good race in the Greenham, I wish he would have run in the Craven instead but I'm not the owner, I think Hakam will run in the Guineas even though he is still a maiden I think Intilaaq will go Irish Guineas & Derby & Muhaarar French Guineas after what Frankie told Hamdan I hope Fadhayyil can win the 1000 too, she's going really well so I hear But what u hear & see are 2 different things
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Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:35 pm |
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Nasty Nas8
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Re: Flat discussion
My friend in the Hills camp doesn't think Muhaarar will be staying a mile, at HQ or Longchamp. Hakam will be going for another maiden, not the Guineas.
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