I'm sorry to say I think they are with all this AW rubbish. No other country in the world has this fascination with this awful surface, it didn't take long for the yanks to say no thanks to the surface but we just can't say no to it. Is it all about money or what, the UK is renown for our grass racing but instead of making racing better they are just killing it of. For a quick buck.

When all weather started it was to be used during the long Winter days for both Jump and Flat racing when the weather was to bad for turf racing after a while jump racing was cut do to unsuitable surface causing injuries to the falling horses and I totally agreed but since those days it has been used daily end of turf Flat November right up to end of March when Doncaster has the scheduled first turf Meeting. It is the worst kind of racing I don't think big crowds go to these meetings its mostly poor racing although with the all weather Championship trying to built it up I don't think it has destroyed the main Flat racing programme but it should be cut during the Turf Season and used less during the Winter Months I don't think many jump meetings was lost last season do to weather Conditions but the NH is suffering from the all weather racing has trainers are now keeping the horses that was sent to go jumping to go to Wolverhampton for a 1m handicap in December instead so we are unlikely to have horses like Kribensis ever going jumping again so its not killing the flat IMO its killing the jumps and that is why we have lots French Jumpers joining Jump trainers like Nichols etc.


Gray

Our Problem here is way way too much jumps racing during the flat season its supposed to be the flat season
few weeks back we 3 days in a row no flat racing and 3 days of jumps meets on thats a joke IMO

I think it is killing the industry full stop. I think we really need to cut the amount of these bad races to stop people breeding these horses who are quite frankly useless. If there weren't races for them there would be no need to breed them. I think all weather has a purpose, if the turf is too bad for racing in the winter, or for specialist horses. But the fact that there is too much really dilutes the quality of racing available, there doesn't need to be racing on 365 days a year! Does nobody think of jockeys and lads and staff who have to go to these tracks day in, day out?! Tracks expect that nobody will come through the gate so are covering costs from bookmakers entry fees, we all know that a lot of the recent betting scandals have been on the all weather so there's got to be a reason that bookmakers are still attending and thus keeping the all weather going...

Sorry SuperCat but i totally disagree. Your kinda saying there's no room for these not so good horses, which in turn leads to alot less trainers and then there's not the volume of horses to ride so we see a lot less jockey's. Not every trainer/owner can afford to go to the big sales and pay boat loads for 2yo's. What you wanting racing to be totally dominated by the likes of Godolphin and Coormore. Not every horse is breed to be brilliant on turf so what happens to them horses. We need the all weather during the summer. Ive seen many trainers say they'd prefer to get there 2yo's or even 3yo's out on the all weather first to give them a good first experience. Racing isnt just about the big days or big meetings to some. Who cares if the bookmakers have to pay out a few extra quid, they get enough of it back through rule 4 deductions and various other ways.

What id like to see is more group races on the all weather. I can only remember 2 of the top of my head. The two at kempton in september. If were going to use the all weather, get some group races on.

Actually Paul I think the same about the all Weather Tracks have daily Meetings during the Jump Season I rather bet on a selling hurdle at Hexham than any all weather race I like Jump racing during the summer has for me again give me a hurdle or chase than a 5F handicap on the level I see in Ireland courses Like Kilbeggan, Roscommon, Sligo and many others don't have Jump Racing during the proper jump Season is it because these course's are like Worcester in danger of Flooding during the winter Months some courses can only have Jump Racing during the warmer Months and course's like Worcester may well close if the Summer Jumping there was to end while Courses Like Lingfield, Southwell and Wolverhampton (Which Had a Good Jump Track) have too many Meetings during the winter months.

Grsy

Sorry Peter I rather not see more Group Races on the all weather if we start having more Group races on the all weather it would start watering down top class turf racing on the flat I don't want racing in this country going down the route where the all weather is taking races from the turf has for Kempton it has lost some good turf racing in the past for lack lustre all weather racing the Bookmakers may want More All Weather racing but I reckon the general public would rather see races like Roseberry, Queens Prize and September Stakes on the turf than on the all weather.

Gray

Well then we'll lost the likes of Tryster / Pretend. There top class all weather horses.

The american's have plenty of dirt and turf races so why cant we have a small program for the all weather. Im not saying i want 10+ group races on the all weather, id like to see a small program.

With Catterick wanting an all weather track, chelmsford is new, Newcastle have just getting planning promission. We also have lingfield and kempton. Then wolverhampton and southwell with really low grade stuff.

Think you lot need to see the point, racing is changing in England.

I Dont have an issue having Jumps meets on during Irish flat season but 3 days with no flat racing in a row
and at same time jumps meetings sometimes more than one per day its surely not right
and in fact we have gone 6 days in a row with no flat racing and dominated by jumps meetings i think 3 or 4 weeks back

Are you talking Irish Racing Paul ? I looked at the Uk Schedule and apart from one or two Sundays there's been flat racing though out since Doncaster's Opening turf Meeting.

Gray

AW racing is boring full stop even when good horses run on it. Dirt is about all out speed, grass is about finishing speed but u don't get neither with AW racing.

I think there is too much AW racing now in the summer, 2 meetings yesterday and one today. They should stop with the AW meetings at the big championship and start up in September/October. I think there is to much jump racing in the summer( I love my jumping) but they should have a month of in July.

Racing is changing because Idiots are running it. No one goes to these crappy AW meetings, they don't care if no one turns up to them. Imagine if Football thought that way, because they get so much money through TV deals they shouldn't care about how many turn's up but they do because it still good for business.

How about these idiots start looking into Sunday racing because it's usually awful, low grade donkey's and awful prize money.

When is these idiots going to come up with racing on Christmas Eve or Even on Christmas Day, it can't be far of with the clowns who's running it now.

I think between the bookies and the leaders of the sport they are flogging a dead horse.

I 100% agree, there is way to much racing.

I think some need to see the point that yes, racing is changing, but not for the better. It's all for the benefit of the bookmakers who more or less run this all weather nonsense. With fewer all weather meetings, yes some trainers wouldn't survive, but they are only perpetuating the problem in racing of wastage. Where do you think horses go after racing? Not every horse goes on to be a stallion, sadly too many go on to be broodmares. If you reduce the amount of low level racing you stop people breeding bad horses together for the sake of making a foal.

We haven't all got to be rich owners to get on in racing. You can pick up a decent horse for £4-10,000 which isn't a massive outlay and probably get it to win. But with fewer horses around and fewer races to put them competition will be stiffer and thus more exciting.

The point I think you and the Jockey Club and the BHA and the Bookmakers Association and the Horseman's Group are missing is that all of this is for the benefit of racing RIGHT NOW, there is no thought to the future and how it will affect those in the industry past today. Too many race horses come of the track and end up being abandoned, or slaughtered or sent off god only knows where and it is about time that those in charge stood up and started to do something about the amount of wastage in this 'sport'.

Yes Gray Irish racing only talking about

I Think it was a month ago there was 6 days in a row no flat racing on but about 7 or 8 jumps meetings