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| Author: | Pommard [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Melbourne Cup Entries - first round |
pjrhodes1970 wrote: He got Ol'Man River and he was never gelded he is at stud and achieved far less that USAR so id very much doubt they will geld a horse that finished 2nd in the derby the fact he is with Joseph and is heading to Aus makes me think Lloyd owns him now and not JP that would also put weight behind my thought process of him not going jumping plus agree dont think he would have the attitude for it either looking at things he could be bottom weight in the cup I think he could be very interesting in the race, especially off such a low weight. Mind you if they give him a prep run down under I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. New trainer and new surroundings I would think his best performance is going to be first time out (if he is ever going to do it which is obviously debateable given his record). |
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| Author: | pjrhodes1970 [ Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Melbourne Cup Entries - first round |
US Army Ranger has been in quarantine here with Rekindling and Joseph is very happy with both horses They both will run in the Melbourne Cup. |
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| Author: | Nasty Nas8 [ Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Melbourne Cup Entries - first round |
I can't for the life of me see how the tempo of a Melbourne Cup is going to suit a horse like US Army Ranger, who doesn't have a turn of foot; hence why they have tried him over 2m+ this year. |
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| Author: | PeterS94 [ Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Melbourne Cup Entries - first round |
Can't believe there running US Army Ranger in a Melbourne Cup he hasn't got a hope in hell's chance of winning. |
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| Author: | pjrhodes1970 [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Melbourne Cup Entries - first round |
Makes more sense then gelding him and sending him over sticks its also confirmed that Lloyd Williams now owns him. |
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| Author: | Nasty Nas8 [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Melbourne Cup Entries - first round |
I don't think he should go over hurdles; he isn't brave enough for it. I just don't see how a sprint finish is going to suit a horse who doesn't have any pace and is regressive (he is now a stone lower than when he was runner-up in the Derby). Personally, I would geld him and give him another year, but lower his sights somewhat. He could easily pick up a Listed or Group 3 over a trip; he just needs to be sweetened up a bit. |
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| Author: | pjrhodes1970 [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Melbourne Cup Entries - first round |
Nasty Nas8 wrote: I don't think he should go over hurdles; he isn't brave enough for it. I just don't see how a sprint finish is going to suit a horse who doesn't have any pace and is regressive (he is now a stone lower than when he was runner-up in the Derby). Personally, I would geld him and give him another year, but lower his sights somewhat. He could easily pick up a Listed or Group 3 over a trip; he just needs to be sweetened up a bit. Difficult when you have to carry a G1 place penalty he is also a Group 2 winner so in listed company im guessing he would be seriously penalized |
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| Author: | Nasty Nas8 [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Melbourne Cup Entries - first round |
When did he win a Group 2? He may not have much of a penalty next year seeing as it's been two years since he performed/was placed at the top level. |
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| Author: | pjrhodes1970 [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Melbourne Cup Entries - first round |
Nasty Nas8 wrote: When did he win a Group 2? He may not have much of a penalty next year seeing as it's been two years since he performed/was placed at the top level. Sorry meant Group 3 won the Chester Vase but lets not talk bout that 
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| Author: | Nasty Nas8 [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Melbourne Cup Entries - first round |
pjrhodes1970 wrote: Sorry meant Group 3 won the Chester Vase but lets not talk bout that So when you think about it, if they hadn't have let him win at Chester - which was a disgrace - then he only has a maiden victory next to his name. |
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| Author: | pjrhodes1970 [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Melbourne Cup Entries - first round |
and G1 placed which i believe also carries penalties |
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| Author: | Degaussed [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Melbourne Cup Entries - first round |
Nasty Nas8 wrote: I don't think he should go over hurdles; he isn't brave enough for it. I just don't see how a sprint finish is going to suit a horse who doesn't have any pace and is regressive (he is now a stone lower than when he was runner-up in the Derby). Personally, I would geld him and give him another year, but lower his sights somewhat. He could easily pick up a Listed or Group 3 over a trip; he just needs to be sweetened up a bit. I think you'd have to be mad to geld a Derby-second-place son of Galileo just so you could win a Group 3 race. The prize for that would be about £75k at the max, whereas he'd fetch that at stud in a couple of days. |
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| Author: | Nasty Nas8 [ Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Melbourne Cup Entries - first round |
Really? In which market would he be making that kind of money? |
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| Author: | pjrhodes1970 [ Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Melbourne Cup Entries - first round |
Nasty Nas8 wrote: Really? In which market would he be making that kind of money? If he stood as a national hunt sire - Derby Placed + Sire Galileo + Dam Classic winner. even if he was to stand for 3k and only got 50 mares that would equate to £150,000 Per Year Think you are doing him down mate he would be appealing to NH breeders even low end flat breeders could even see him standing in an emerging market tons of sons of Galileo standing all over the world some are not even race winners I have a list if you like. |
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| Author: | pjrhodes1970 [ Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Melbourne Cup Entries - first round |
A few examples Raced but non winning sons: Circumference: Standing at Milky Way Farm, Canada, First Crop are now Foals Circumference was trained in France By Andre Fabre, his dam Circle Of Life is a daughter of Belong To Me. Phenomena: Standing at Vauterhill Stud, UK First Crop are now Three years old Phenomena's dam Something Exciting was 2nd in the Oaks she is a daughter of Halling. Proconsul: Standing at Mickley Stud (GB) First season at Stud Full Brother to multiple Group 1 winners Frankel and Noble Mission Unraced sons: Augusta National: Standing at Haras D’Orion, France First Crop are now Four years old Augusta National is another who comes from the powerful Galileo, Danehill cross. Finsceal Fior Standing at Green Hills Stud, Ireland First Crop are now Three years old The son of classic winner Finsceal Beo who is a daughter of Mr Greeley. |
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