Yes I have to say they are saying this because they don't want people to think they have ruled it out fully, but I will be very surprised if it happens. For a while now I have been hoping Cecil would run frankel over 6f and see him run like he did in the guineas, almost flat out from the start, but again this wouldn't happen as Cecil is training him for longer distances and that would mess it up. Personally I think if they did meet over 6f he would run the legs off her.

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If they both turned up at their best, Black Caviar would have no chance.

No, not at a mile. Probably not even 7f

I don't mean to sound disrespectful to BC, but I don't think she would beat him over 6f either. His speed is untested, the way he ran the guineas, and the way he had canford cliffs a top class miler off the bridle after 5f, just bowling along, she wouldn't be able to live with him. He isn't abnormally tall, but he is just a muscle packed powerhouse with a massive stride and if he's ever fully stretched to full speed I would love to be there. I've seen him out training on the gallops and in te guinea sand he is pretty much the perfect physical specimen of a racehorse.

I believe and Dancing brave could correct me but lm pretty sure Frankel has been trained for mile and a quarter races this year. I did hear an interview with Cecil and he has worked on the horse settling with the intention of getting 1m2f and maybe further but certainly 1m2f.

Yes there is no way he would race over less than a mile this year as Cecil does not like sprinters, apparently rumour in town is if he gets 1 mile 2 easily he may try 1 mile 4, who knows?

Henry never used to train his horses for longer than a mile, just train switching them off. They would always hit the course untested over the distance. DB might be able to shed some more recent light on it but I've definitely heard Frankel's target is the 10f Champion Stakes in the Champion Series.

Black Caviar is a more likely runner than Frankel in any match race. The money talked about is a lot for a mare whereas a stallion like Frankel wouldn't really get out of bed for £1m. Given how Frankel broke Canford Cliffs in the race last year in what was one of the most dominant performances in the sport I cannot see him being beaten over a mile there.

He would be most at risk at Ascot I think.

Ubar I think you are maybe taking ur 'doubt' over BC to an extreme level!! Frankel would not beat her over 6f!!

If BC team said she would run he would race in it I reckon,1 million is still a lot of money for Frankel, and as PM said they could go back to Australia and win more than that in their carnival over there, they have said money will not sway them it is what is right for the horse so she is no more likely than Frankel, if anything she would be the one in doubt for a match race.

Not by far definitely but I think his ability to sustain his speed is phenomenal, remember frankel is not your 'average' multiple group 1 winning miler, he is a class or two above. You can really appreciate this when you see him in the flesh. This isn't doubting BC, more saying that Frankel is better. They never doubted Mill House was an incredibly talented horse, it's just that Arkle was much much better!

She would need to run in quite a few races at the Spring Carnival to make that sort of prize money! The most valuable race she will run in Australia in the spring is the £650k Patinack Farm Classic. The other races she would be targetting are actually worth less than the July Cup and Diamond Jubilee Stakes (each worth £400k). If she was to meet Frankel in the Sussex Stakes, it would mean that the total added prize money for the three races she's running in over here would be £1.8 million (around AU$2.7m), which is a lot more than she'd be getting in the Spring Carnival. In last year's Spring Carnival, the total added prize money she raced for was AU$1.5m (around £975k).

So, I would say the prize money of £1m would be a huge draw for the owners of Black Caviar, as there are no individual races in Australia that would offer her that amount of money. I really can't see it happening though, and to be honest, I don't think it should.

To be honest I don't know anything about the money over there that's just what her trainer said and he also sai the money wouldn't sway them, it would be what's right for the horse, but maybe at least it has made them look at the Sussex stakes as more of a target than before, but unless it was over 7f, a halfway house distance for both of them it probably wouldn't really be fair putting her up in her first start over a mile against one of the greatest milers ever seen!

Sorry to pi$$ on your chips but NOT going to happen

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/moody-turns-down-1631-million-frankel-shootout-20120405-1wfdg.html

Realistically, it was never going to happen. Black Caviar would have very little to gain from taking on Frankel over 1 mile, especially so soon after the July Cup.

Of Peter Moody's misinformed comment about the idea of the £1m Sussex Stakes clash though - "''We race for that sort of money all the time. It is a big race for them, not for us", I don't know where he's getting his conversion rates, as there aren't any sprint or mile weight-for-age races for older horses in Australia that are worth anywhere near £1 million. BC's two main targets in the Spring Carnival - the Manikato and Patinack Classic - are worth less than that combined.