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keithbeaky
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:47 pm Posts: 2407 Location: UK
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Re: The derby
Ryan Moore on Geoffrey will do for me! Plus a good friend of mine had a dream it wins!
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:45 am |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15151 Location: Republic of Ireland
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Re: The derby
keithbeaky wrote: Ryan Moore on Geoffrey will do for me! Plus a good friend of mine had a dream it wins! I Have Aus at 20s and GC at 33s i would prefer Aus to win but if he doesn't will be hoping GC does a 1,2 would be sweet perfection and a very very nice pay day the ground has me a bit worried now getting more nervous the closer we get to Saturday Moore was always going to Ride GC i got word a while back i think thats why he was so well supported in the market plus he is working very well at home but no one at Ballydoyle believes he can beat Aus I went in again today got 8/11 place and 2/1 win on Aus after the drift my biggest outlay since yeats 3rd gold cup and Black caviar at RA Support for Kingston Hill is ground related would be a big place lay for me
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:17 pm |
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daveyboy
Handicapper
Joined: Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:42 pm Posts: 232
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Re: The derby
Finally played my hand with Arod and True Story with such little value in the race on Australia I've come tot he conclusion that we could of seen one of the best Dante's in years and taking them two at 16/1 and 14/1 is the best value bet in the race.
It won't matter anyway when Marvellous romps in tomorrow and the 11/2 after the Irish 1000G was a give away
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:34 pm |
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keithbeaky
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:47 pm Posts: 2407 Location: UK
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Re: The derby
GC was well supported after the trial and because of his homework. People keep telling me that the yard say he cant beat Australia. I dont subscribe to that at all. Why bother running him if thats true. How many classics has the Coolmore second or third string won now??
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:36 pm |
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keithbeaky
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:47 pm Posts: 2407 Location: UK
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Re: The derby
I think both the Guineas and Dante were good trials, though I might favour the Guineas. I also think the Irish trials have been above average. I still think its the best Derby since Workforce's. How anyone can call it an awful race I have no idea.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:42 pm |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15151 Location: Republic of Ireland
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Re: The derby
keithbeaky wrote: GC was well supported after the trial and because of his homework. People keep telling me that the yard say he cant beat Australia. I dont subscribe to that at all. Why bother running him if thats true. How many classics has the Coolmore second or third string won now?? Its the Derby all bases have to be covered and anything as we know in racing can happen all i hope for is fair ground then we will see the best horse on the day win as for 2nd or 3rd string winning classics in the Derby Galileo No1 won High Chaparral No2 Won Camelot No1 Won Ruler No2 Won so your point is fair Matt
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:44 pm |
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keithbeaky
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:47 pm Posts: 2407 Location: UK
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Re: The derby
To say not one person in the yard or the whole team thinks GC can beat Australia is ridiculous. Im sorry but it is. It may well be that Australia finishes ten lengths ahead or more but no one can say it cant finish ahead of it.
As for second strings overall it is quite a lot. I think maybe even a third string has won a classic.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:48 pm |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15151 Location: Republic of Ireland
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Re: The derby
daveyboy wrote: Finally played my hand with Arod and True Story with such little value in the race on Australia I've come tot he conclusion that we could of seen one of the best Dante's in years and taking them two at 16/1 and 14/1 is the best value bet in the race.
It won't matter anyway when Marvellous romps in tomorrow and the 11/2 after the Irish 1000G was a give away I have concerns about Marvelous her dam won the G2 Cherry hinton at 6 furlongs and furthest distance run at was 10 furlongs and she did not stay the one time she raced at 1m2 Hopefully she will win for you
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:48 pm |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15151 Location: Republic of Ireland
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Re: The derby
keithbeaky wrote: To say not one person in the yard or the whole team thinks GC can beat Australia is ridiculous. Im sorry but it is. It may well be that Australia finishes ten lengths ahead or more but no one can say it cant finish ahead of it.
As for second strings overall it is quite a lot. I think maybe even a third string has won a classic. Was won the Oaks she was 3d string.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:52 pm |
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johnny16dar
Handicapper
Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:19 pm Posts: 360
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Re: The derby
Ah beaky.. it seems as if you are fishing, but you are not a Kingfisher... speaking of which i think he is remarkable value at 66/1 tomorrow considering his last run, pedigree and the fact that O'brien outsiders have a good record of getting placed particularly ones who travel up with the pace, i think this lad will be ridden very handy.
Of the fancied runners personally i think the derrinstown form is the strongest guineas aside so i'll be havin a few quid on the Australia/Fascinating Rock R/F S/F, and an each way on Fascinating Rock.
I have Australia in a nice treble with Kingman (irish 2000) and Real Madrid (CL).
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:40 pm |
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anubisrich
Group 1 winner
Joined: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:53 pm Posts: 2325
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Re: The derby
Australia Western Hymn Geoffrey Chaucer
Although I appreciate the two jockeys on the 1-2 are poor so I wouldn't be surprised to see Moore nick it on an inferior horse.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:05 pm |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15151 Location: Republic of Ireland
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Re: The derby
Quote: I have Australia in a nice treble with Kingman (irish 2000) and Real Madrid (CL). Nice Treble
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Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:34 am |
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Pricey
Group 2 winner
Joined: Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:56 am Posts: 904
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Re: The derby
Australia still way too short for me, you'd have thought he'd won the Guiness by 10 lengths the way his price went afterwards. I really like Geoffrey Chaucer, a very similar price to ROTW last year and also the 2nd string with Moore onboard. I may have a little ew bet on Arod too as he has a touch of class about him with the Dante form very strong.
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Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:27 am |
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keithbeaky
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:47 pm Posts: 2407 Location: UK
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Re: The derby
pjrhodes1970 wrote: Quote: I have Australia in a nice treble with Kingman (irish 2000) and Real Madrid (CL). Nice Treble Yeah great treble, must pay all of 7/1!!! I've had a double that the Oaks is on a Friday and the Derby on a Saturday. Was going to have a treble and include royal Ascot starts on a Tuesday but thought it was a bit risky.
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Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:06 am |
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HurricaneRun
Group 1 winner
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:12 pm Posts: 2133 Location: Newcastle England
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Re: The derby
If Moore was on Australia i'd be very confident, don't trust O'Brien if it is a 'close call' but obviously if Aus is a class apart he will win even with Joseph on board.
Dont' understand people criticising the quality of the race, I think it looks quite a strong Derby and you can never really tell until you see how they perform later in the season.
Homecoming Queen is another to add to the 2nd or 3rd string list - awful guineas winnner
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Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:59 am |
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