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thorne_
Selling plater
Joined: Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:25 am Posts: 2
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Horse stats
Hi, just started playing the game and having problems training winners in anything higher than a class 2 handicap i'm wondering how much the bar chart rating actually represent the horses ability? thanks
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Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:28 am |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15174 Location: Republic of Ireland
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Re: Horse stats
dont trust the bar chart i have had horses look like superstars going by the bar chart but been donkeys its just a basic indication you wont no util they get on the track how good they are
yes no higher handicap than class 2
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Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:22 pm |
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thorne_
Selling plater
Joined: Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:25 am Posts: 2
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Re: Horse stats
thanks - just looking back at the horses i sold, one of the first i bred has since won 3 group 1s and 8mil in prize money - he didnt look very good!
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Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:02 pm |
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lcalcutt
Handicapper
Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:42 pm Posts: 232
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Re: Horse stats
I tend to trial my homebred and auction purchases against each other in the training mode. I use horses of similar distances and any that are tailed off are sold.
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Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:19 pm |
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GS63
Group 1 winner
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:50 am Posts: 1903 Location: Torbay, England
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Re: Horse stats
Quote: I tend to trial my homebred and auction purchases against each other in the training mode. I use horses of similar distances and any that are tailed off are sold. I'm guessing that you trial a few times before selling them off? Also take into account the going on the gallops/current condition of the horse etc???
_________________ Shergar - unstoppable and always the best.
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Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:23 pm |
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niallmcfc
Handicapper
Joined: Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:47 pm Posts: 129
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Re: Horse stats
I run as many 2yos as possible. If ive got stayers i'll put them over 1m2f at 2 and see how they fair. Even if they come last i'll still keep them in training at 3 and go the handicap route with them and my 2yos that have shown more will go for the group races. It takes time and cant be done overnight. Your looking at around 5 seasons before your getting group 1 winners.
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Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:52 pm |
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OnTheNose
Handicapper
Joined: Tue May 03, 2011 9:50 am Posts: 256 Location: London, England
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Re: Horse stats
Personally I trial my 2yo's as follows after some gallop sessions.
B/I : 5f - 1m1f Start with the 5f maidens depending on speed and acceleration. I find a horse bred for 1 mile will not perform at that distance properly until their 3yo season. As you race them over 5f your jockey will give a good indication how to pick your distances, along with the form card. I had a colt win the brocklesby then finished winning g1's as a 2yo. Following season he was flopping at 7f but become my first triple 2000 guineas winner.
B/I: 1m2f and 1m3f Stick them in the mile maidens with jockey to challenge early. I've had some win at a canter them go on to win the racing post 2yo trophy or the breeders cup 2yo mile races. Next season they cream the 10f races.
B/I: 1m4f - 1m5f Towards the end of their 2yo season there are few 10f maidens and conditions. Again, jockey to challenge early does the trick. Get a good one and go for the grand criterium. Following season its the 12f maidens or handicaps before the big ones.
B/I: 1m6f and over. Don't even bother at 2 and use them in1m4f maidens when they are 3.
Just a quick credit to the people who given advice to me on this forum. I now have a better understanding of the game and have some great horses!
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Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:33 pm |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15174 Location: Republic of Ireland
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Re: Horse stats
OnTheNose wrote: Personally I trial my 2yo's as follows after some gallop sessions.
B/I : 5f - 1m1f Start with the 5f maidens depending on speed and acceleration. I find a horse bred for 1 mile will not perform at that distance properly until their 3yo season. As you race them over 5f your jockey will give a good indication how to pick your distances, along with the form card. I had a colt win the brocklesby then finished winning g1's as a 2yo. Following season he was flopping at 7f but become my first triple 2000 guineas winner.
B/I: 1m2f and 1m3f Stick them in the mile maidens with jockey to challenge early. I've had some win at a canter them go on to win the racing post 2yo trophy or the breeders cup 2yo mile races. Next season they cream the 10f races.
B/I: 1m4f - 1m5f Towards the end of their 2yo season there are few 10f maidens and conditions. Again, jockey to challenge early does the trick. Get a good one and go for the grand criterium. Following season its the 12f maidens or handicaps before the big ones.
B/I: 1m6f and over. Don't even bother at 2 and use them in1m4f maidens when they are 3.
Just a quick credit to the people who given advice to me on this forum. I now have a better understanding of the game and have some great horses! good man OnTheNose
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Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:14 pm |
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blazingbailey
Handicapper
Joined: Wed May 25, 2011 2:29 pm Posts: 149
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Re: Horse stats
OnTheNose wrote: Personally I trial my 2yo's as follows after some gallop sessions.
B/I : 5f - 1m1f Start with the 5f maidens depending on speed and acceleration. I find a horse bred for 1 mile will not perform at that distance properly until their 3yo season. As you race them over 5f your jockey will give a good indication how to pick your distances, along with the form card. I had a colt win the brocklesby then finished winning g1's as a 2yo. Following season he was flopping at 7f but become my first triple 2000 guineas winner.
B/I: 1m2f and 1m3f Stick them in the mile maidens with jockey to challenge early. I've had some win at a canter them go on to win the racing post 2yo trophy or the breeders cup 2yo mile races. Next season they cream the 10f races.
B/I: 1m4f - 1m5f Towards the end of their 2yo season there are few 10f maidens and conditions. Again, jockey to challenge early does the trick. Get a good one and go for the grand criterium. Following season its the 12f maidens or handicaps before the big ones.
B/I: 1m6f and over. Don't even bother at 2 and use them in1m4f maidens when they are 3.
Just a quick credit to the people who given advice to me on this forum. I now have a better understanding of the game and have some great horses! I do a similar thing but using the stamina bar to help me decide the distances and when they should start stepping up in trip. On my edited schedule I have had a couple of 1m3f ave distance horses winning the 6f G3 at Randwick first time out. They generally want at least 7 next time though. If they win they tend to be decent horses as well.
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:44 pm |
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OnTheNose
Handicapper
Joined: Tue May 03, 2011 9:50 am Posts: 256 Location: London, England
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Re: Horse stats
I rarely have a 1m bred horse win at 5f then win again at 5. They usually progress through to 7f.
The stamina bar is KEY as you mentioned blazingbailey
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:25 pm |
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