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Panther, I left Hong Kong alone, it is in the Northern Hemisphere, so I assume their horses age at the same time the other Northern Hemisphere horses do. I feel like if a race is only for 4 yr olds in real life, I should try to keep it that way.

I like that their triple crown is for 3 yr olds and up, gives me a 4 year old triple crown, and maybe the option of a 2x triple crown champion.


The racing system in Hong Kong is completely different to the rest of the northern hemisphere, as the majority of top class horses in Hong Kong are imported from other countries, usually in their 3yo season, hence the lack of 3yo-only races. This is the reason for a 4yo triple crown. Hong Kong's other triple crown (Stewards' Cup, Gold Cup, Champions & Chater Cup) is officially open to 3yo+, but the reality is that this is the triple crown for older horses. If you look at the race history, 3yo and 4yo never run in this race. The progression for a top horse in Hong Kong is to run in the 4yo triple crown, sometimes followed by the QEII Cup or C&C CUP, then if they're good enough to go to the HK international races later in the year, followed by a shot at the older triple crown as a 5yo, and again in future seasons if they remain in training. There is zero chance of a horse ever taking in the older triple crown the year before the 4yo triple crown. It's one of these cases where the official age restriction is a little strange and misleading, and it also doesn't tie in too well with the fact that all overseas horses in the game only run from 2-5yo. The most realistic way to do it would be to have the 4yo triple crown, then to restrict the other triple crown to 5yo+, although this means most HK horse in the game sitting idle for two years!


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That's the thing, I just don't want them sitting for 2 years like that, I would prefer if they had some races. I realize the 3 year olds never attempt the races, but with the age restrictions set the way they are IRL would there be anything stopping a 3 year old from running in the Stewards' Cup, I am not saying they would likely win, I'm just asking if they would be denied entry.


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That's the thing, I just don't want them sitting for 2 years like that, I would prefer if they had some races. I realize the 3 year olds never attempt the races, but with the age restrictions set the way they are IRL would there be anything stopping a 3 year old from running in the Stewards' Cup, I am not saying they would likely win, I'm just asking if they would be denied entry.


It's really a case of how much realism you're looking for. They wouldn't be denied entry, but the horses that go on to have racing careers in Hong Kong wouldn't even be in Hong Kong at the start of their 3yo year! They would likely still be stabled in the UK, or elsewhere in Europe or beyond. Most Hong Kong horses only move there during their 3yo year. This is also why there are no 2yo races in Hong Kong. The 3yo+ age restriction is a strange one, as if you look at the fields for these races, going back 10 years, you will not see a single 3yo, and you might only see one or two 4yo in all of that time. The progression in Hong Kong is definitely the Classic Mile/Classic Cup/Derby triple crown one year, then the Stewards' Cup/Gold Cup/C&C Cup triple crown in subsequent years. This is why my initial suggestion was to change the 4yo triple crown to a 3yo triple crown, then to have the older triple crown available from 4yo+.


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It is tricky, I'm rather unsure of if I should just leave it as is, with the actual restrictions, or if I should do it in a way that would have the horses represent what would actually run. I'll probably end up changing it to what your saying panther, I guess I just wanna play for a bit before I go back to modding everything. In the meantime I'll leave it up as is. I already have gone slightly against the realistic route by bringing back the Breeders' Cup Marathon.


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bringing back the Breeders' Cup Marathon.


I wish they did that in real life... The Breeders Cup committee should have moved it to turf. Would have attracted more European horses. But the goal of the Marathon was to attract South American horses, not Euros. Failed, just like the Juvenile Sprint.
Also, for a US Turf Triple Crown, Belmont Park officials talked about a possible one: "What's so wrong with an American Turf Triple Crown? Maybe it will be the Belmont Derby at a mile and a quarter and maybe the Secretariat [at Arlington] at a mile and three sixteenths, and I haven't talked to Arlington Park about this, so I'm not trying to shock them into something," Panza said. "Maybe NYRA puts the Hill Prince at a mile and a half on Sept. 15." Possibly something that could be done.

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I moved my Marathon to turf, it made no sense having it on dirt. The only other US race of the same distance is on turf, all the European races are on turf, it was just ridiculous to have horses that came out of the St. Leger not running in it because of the surface. Not ridiculous on the owners part, for them it would be a sensible and obvious choice to aim for a different race instead, but ridiculous on behalf of the committee to discourage class horses from running in the race. The purse of only 500,000 and it being a G2 didn't help matters. Why would you ship your horse over seas to run, even if it was the right surface, for a G2 when there are most likely higher purses (and grades) in your own region you could aim for that would put less shipping stress on the horse. I decided it should be a G1, $2,000,000 turf race, held at 1m6f to realisticly attract horses from the St. Leger to participate, I figure a Breeders' Cup race should be attracting the most class field it can, not just being a second rate stakes race.


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I wish they did that in real life... The Breeders Cup committee should have moved it to turf. Would have attracted more European horses. But the goal of the Marathon was to attract South American horses, not Euros. Failed, just like the Juvenile Sprint.


I think for the Breeders' Cup Marathon to work as a target for top European stayers, they would have to make it a 2-mile turf race, and also increase the prize money to at least $1m, as the $500k prize of last year's running is the same money currently available for the Long Distance Cup at British Champions Day in October.

I'm a big fan of the Breeders' Cup, but I do think there's currently a risk of fewer European horses being sent over for it in future years, or at least fewer of the very top European horses. Aidan O'Brien sent over a fairly weak team last year, and fewer of the top UK stables are sending horses. I think part of this is a prize money issue, with Breeders' Cup prize money fairly stagnant in recent years. The Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe (£4m) is now far more valuable than the Breeders' Cup Turf (£1.8m), while the prize money increase and move to mid October of the Champion Stakes (£1.3m) and Queen Elizabeth II Stakes (£1m) at Ascot might now also reduce the appeal of sending a horse over for the Breeders' Cup Mile (£1.2m). Add to this the potential lure of very high prize money for the international turf races in the Far East in November and December. I think big increases in the prize money for the turf races at the Breeders' Cup will be necessary in the future in order to start attracting the top European horses in larger numbers again.


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Yeah, at the moment, it is just not worth it for the owners to ship their horses overseas, when they get races that are just as good without leaving the country. To me the Breeders' Cup is supposed to be like the Olympics of horse racing, an event that moves around, and attracts the top athletes in the world to compete. Unfortunately in recent years this has not happened. They have announced that the Breeders' Cup will be moved again next year, so that's a right step. I am really hoping to see it at Belmont again (within the next 5 years would be wonderful). The concept of the Breeders' Cup is a wonderful one, I just think it needs to be handled better.


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Sadly, I doubt it will ever return to Belmont. The Breeders' Cup Committee is trying to get rid of a lot of track differences. No more synthetics, only 1 mi tracks. Odds are better to go to Aqueduct, althought NYRA wouldn't really like that. Monmouth Park seems to be the Northeast's best bet for another BC. This is how I see the next 7 years playing out (based on how the BC is usually).
2014- Santa Anita (confirmed)
2015- Keeneland (confirmed)
2016- Santa Anita (confirmed)
2017- Del Mar (confirmed)
2018- Gulfstream Park (site of Eclipse Awards, hasn't been there since '99)
2020- Santa Anita (obvious bias)
2021- Monmouth Park (was close to getting 2014, been bidding for past many years)
2022- Churchill Downs (10 yrs without one)
2023- Saratoga (160th Anniversary, would be cool to host, but very unlikely)
2024- Del Mar (if '17 BC is successful, will defiantly be in rotation; if no NYRA in '23, then maybe Belmont here instead and Del Mar in 2023)

Of course who knows if it will even be around in 10 years. I think there needs to be a rotation set with 5 tracks and only amend every 15 years. They would be: Belmont, Santa Anita, Keeneland (which I think is better than CD and nicer owners who care about the sport rather than hiking up takeouts and building casinos), Gulfstream Park, and Del Mar. Of course that would leave out many great tracks like Monmouth, Churchill, and Arlington (though unlikely to host unless it gets rid of synthetic), it is balanced and fair (and looks at BC trends). I'm still waiting for the day the BC goes to Los Alamitos, my favorite meet thus far in 2014 and one of the nicest tracks in the US. Would love to go there one day.

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That's a shame, I hadn't looked up the full list. They really should do different styles of track, having a one mile oval is a bit biased, for horses that don't enjoy tighter turns, I heard for example that for the Preakness there was a worry about Secretariat in those turns because the speed he would be hitting right before the home stretch might cause him to drift out more than wanted when going around others, making him cover way more ground then necessary. Meanwhile, I have heard jockeys say at Belmont the turns are so gentle you can almost forget you're on one. Other reasons I like Belmont are because it has a nice wide track, one that could well fit the 20 horses of the Breeders' Cup Classic, I may be wrong but I feel like it is wider than most others. The grandstands are used to seeing a large amount of people, attendance is sure to be high for a Breeders' Cup event and Belmont can handle it. Security is great as well, they do bag and cooler checks at entry, something I am not sure is done at every track. Sure they're checking for alcohol as well, but it's nice to know some nutter isn't getting in with a gun or something.

In comparison I remember visiting Saratoga and being shocked by how small it was, you couldn't possibly get lost at Saratoga, it wasn't big enough, at least in comparison to Belmont where everything is on such a grandiose scale. I also got to visit Parx when I was in PA, mainly for a bit of gambling because there was no racing that day, but I did view the track, I have to say absolutely beautiful track, I just don't think I am a fan of the grandstands to be honest, it's all enclosed. Idk maybe it's just me, but I like watching without a sheet of glass in between me and the action. I also love to take pictures, even when I'm in my backyard I take pictures, the glass would kind of ruin some shots. I understand that's not the most important thing, the track itself is gorgeous, I just feel all that glass needs to be removed :lol:.


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Belmont is really good with security. Although the turns are tough for jockeys who aren't used to them as the mile and a half makes the turns not the place to start closing. Saratoga has a really small grandstand , but I know I've gotten lost behind it haha. But I don't regret getting lost, I got to meet Todd Pletcher! Aqueduct is the smallest, but actually my favorite of the three. A few years back I wasn't a big fan cause it kinda looked like an airport terminal, but ever since the renovations, the stands have been really nice. Monmouth is another great track, although I'm usually in the picnic area than the stands. I get what you mean about Parx, I wasn't a fan of the glass either, but it was in the winter so I was happy not to freeze! When I went we all snuck up into the owners boxes and had our own little area cause the owners whose box it was never showed up haha! One track I absolutely adore (and one that got the glass infront right) is Meadowlands. If you haven't been there since the new renovations, go. Absolutely amazing. While it is smaller than the old grandstand (which wasn't bad. I thought it was nice) it works out well. The simulcast area is so nice! And even outside is a great spot one amazing track!

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Saratoga is a beautiful track, don't get me wrong; There just isn't enough room in the grandstands, I remember when I went people were sitting in front of the screens on the ground behind the grandstands. I'm trying to imagine it for a breeders' cup event and I don't think people would be able to walk without tripping over a cooler or a person sitting on the ground. I can see the benefits of an enclosed grandstand in winter, that would be nice. I think belmont leaves me with a bias, every track & grandstand looks tiny to me now. Belmont does have glass, behind the outdoor seating, so you can stand inside and when everyone is seated see pretty well. The breeders' cup is in November, so I can see some people wanting to be indoors. I like how the elevator takes you right out to the walking paddock, I love watching the horses walk; I usually base my betting on how the horses are behaving in that paddock (if your all sweated up before the race, idc if you're the favorite), my mom is really good at it; she doesn't even look at the names or odds, and 80% of the time the horse she picks comes in the top 3. I asked her once when I was little what she looked for, she said a calm animal, that isn't sweating (in summer not sweating more then the others) no head tossing, or eye rolling. She said she picked one whose build reminded her of Secretariat the most, she said she felt he had a build that reminded her more of a quarter horse than a thoroughbred; that big barrel chest, thicker of neck.


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There is an error with race 278 in the showcasefile, any help? (tried uk and us sched, both the same error)


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I get a race error 107 on UK flat only. Combined works though.


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Once again, nice job! I finally got to play around with it (after all of the courses i've done already, i needed a break haha!) Really great work and I can't wait til the Australian schedule is done (probably the only other country I play often besides the US).

Also, I was wondering if you were interested in adding in some races into my upcoming "fictional" schedule which would be made up of races named after our homebreds. I know you were interested in adding in homebred named races before, and so I was wondering if you'd still be interested in it. Here is the link to the mod thread: http://www.startersorders.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=10097

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