I have another question akhc, if you don't mind...

So I have started to attempt to breed the 'hold-up' and 'restrained early' out of my lines. I am getting some really nice 'even pace' and 'race handy' types. Now, in the initial trials the new horses disposed of the likes of Oak Honduran Crystal and Oak Crystal Currency who have been fairly prolific for me in the league. But now, after weeding a few of the weaker ones out and breeding a little more (note I'm only about 2-3 generations on from the horses mentioned), the new horses are being beaten again by Honduran Crystal because they are setting up the races for him by going so fast up front. The horses are still improving and the times are getting quicker, but as I said I feel like I'm going back to square one! What would you do?

Hi Cat

Sorry I am confused. Let me see if I have this right. Your first few generations from Oak Honduran Crystal and Oak Crystal Currency (OHC/OCC) go faster because they are better and from what you are saying OHC/OCC are setting the pace. However the generations beyond that are setting a faster pace and OHC/OCC are now winning races against those?

If that's the case you need faster pacemakers. Otherwise if this is not the issue please clarify and I'll try and help!

Yes you have it more or less right. Though I haven't really bred from Honduran Crystal, they are just very similar lines. He is a hold up horse so originally he was running on well, but being well beaten by the front running/even pace types.

Now the front runners and even pace types are going so fast up front that he is flying home and picking them all off! Usually he can only win by 1/4-1 length, but this distance is getting bigger the faster my horses are getting. Overall the times are quicker, but the fractions for the final 3-4f are quite slow; if that makes sense...

I guess I just need to breed some more stamina into my 1m2f-1m4f lines so they can counter any horse flying at them at the death and be able to run equivalent fractions for the whole race.

Cat you need faster pacemakers. You may choose to trial without pacemakers once you have your final shortlist for the league. But in terms of finding horses to breed you need a certain pace to find the best ones. Even if you don't go completely mad and try and breed the fastest pacemakers I suggest you try and find some that can do around 26s for 2f and can run at that kind of pace for at least 8-10f.

Or if you wish I can send you some that I've been sending to anyone who wants pacemakers

Ok then, so for a really thick question just for clarification. You're saying that I need horses that can run faster up front for longer, yes?

In that case I need to breed horses who have more stamina than my current ones because the current ones seem to be running out of steam in the final part of the race allowing the older hold-up horses to pass them. OR are you saying I need to breed faster horses full stop?

I'm at a bit of a funny point with them as I'm in the process of breeding sprinters to distance horses so that all of my horses have high speed and acceleration stats. I thought I was at a point where I had some proper 1m2f-4f horses; but I suspect that though they get 1m4f in game, they are probably just shy of getting that in the CK against stouter stayers. Thanks AKHC.

What you're finding at the moment is horses that are setting the pace and running out of steam. What you will also find (in my experience) is that these same horses that are setting the pace will not set faster times at shorter distances which you might think they would do.

That's the risk you run with race handy horses. The times they post in my experience are very variable especially if they are the leading horse (perhaps Joe can confirm if this is true in his experience as well).

Let's assume these are 1m2f horses you're talking about. So your new 1m2f horses are setting the pace because they are faster than your original horses and then falling away. The question is what happens when they run in a race with faster pacemakers. Do they fall away still compared to OHC/OCC or do they then go on to win the race.

Breeding more stamina in doesn't really work. You simply get horses that want a longer distance in my experience.

Yup, that is exactly what I have noticed, hence the question. They actually aren't even fast enough to lead my sprint/mile pace makers and are just not fast enough to get very close at the finish, despite running on.

Thanks for your help. I will keep plugging away at it and see how I get on. Like I said in the general discussion, I'm not really one for spending hundreds of hours on the game, I don't really have time. But I have enjoyed this season and I'm hoping to have a larger variety of distances and horses for next season, assuming that it isn't totally undermined by this Aus thing!

For my races under 1m I run two pacemakers. Both are capable of running at a 2f split for a mile race of around 23.5-24s or faster and will keep a pace of 33+ MPH up to 3.5f out when the real winners often take over the running from there. At shorter distances the 2f split time is faster.

For races over 1m I use 3 pacemakers the two above and a 3rd horse that will take the running up to 1m1f+.

hey am newb to so5.

i searched some threads and breeding and this thread sounds most knowledgeable if little ott for newb on 1st season lol

i have simple q.

on my 1st attempt breeding my 2m champion hurdler tired out in his 2nd season only so bad i retired him to breed,
i have an old 12yold mare although that may be bad according to thread above lol

anyways

i just want to experience my 1st foal from my own breeding.

i can get tot the part where it says 14days on the pair to breed and it counts down to 0 days but nothing happens?

how / where should the foal appear??

and why am i getting no foal? how so i know if a breeding pair are incompatable?

thanks

ok lol i just went back to game and tried tio rebreed my pair and lol the mare is in foal yay haha

cant wait to see foal lol

i dont know wether to skip throught the season now or go and seek buy a cheap nugget horse?

I've mainly been a NH league trainer so far but I do want to have a few decent horses for the next flat league. All my horses seem to be a second or two off the best I've seen on here. I've been using pacemakers to try and get my race times down in the ck and it has worked somewhat but still nowhere near the leagues best. Are they any tips on how to shave a few fractions off my times? I was reading about breeding in the Australian side of the game to take half a second off your ck race times, any truth behind this? I've read all the guides on here and I've followed them step by step but my horses are still just falling a bit short. Any help would be grateful.

aussie game does not work anymore because the UK game does the same now so if you have the latest patch you will see 3yo with
full potential now in uk game

truth is mate there is no quick way to shave time off its unfortunately breeding generations after generations
and once you get to a certain level its gets harder and harder to get better times im talking 1000s horses to shave off 0.01

since lge finished i have solely concentrated on 1 distance and i have found it very difficult to get quicker times

its torture i don't recommend it to anyone once i get under 137 thats me finished with so5

i think Jalupen has found the same issues i have had (with his sprinters)

i am now very very very bored of training milers but will continue until i hit the target i set myself

and after all that i still dont think i will win 1 of the Guineas next season

I can't get over the hump, my flat breeding has come to a shuddering stand still. I'm stuck because I just keep breeding the same horses.

Has anyone else had the same problem and what did u do to get better???

ya loads of times mate just have to keep plugging away or go back to a pairing that worked in the past

I cant I got shot of all my old horses, i'm not using the tttf files system, i'm just using the normal way. I cleared out my transfer box, there must have been a couple hundred horses in there and it was doing my head so I cleared it out.

It's fun breeding horses to a point but there gets to a stage that it starts doing u head in