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Been trying to come up with a way of seeing if any of my horses could be competitive in the league and have come up with the idea of creating and using time figures.

Basically what I thought I would do is recreate some league races, same track conditions etc but with my horses in and compare the times to see if they were in the same sort of area as the league race. I realise tactics and things will play a part but as most people export without tactics it might work ok. Am also considering exporting a pacemaker with set instructions to set up fast run, slowly run or truly run races.

Has anyone tried this, and do you think it would work. I know US racing uses time figures more than Europe but it has been getting more popular over the years.

Thoughts anyone ?

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I am not sure about this but I think race time may be dependant on your computer.

If I run races on my desktop computer (I7 processor with fancy graphics card) and then run same horses on my laptop (I3 processor with built in graphics), I get quite a variance in the times the horses achieve.

This could just be down to the hidden variables in the CK, I am not sure.

There was another post I saw where Paul uploaded some of his horses for others to download and compare to their own. You could try those horses.

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Yes pc performance effects game times, hence no one really using times as a method to compare.

If you can get hold of the racekit used in the league I am happy for you to have some of my export files to test against, as noted above Paul has already made some of his available also.

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Thanks chaps. I never thought of the performance of the machine making a difference but thinking about it now I suppose it is quite logical.

Glad I put the idea up before I wasted my time as my set up has pretty good specs and I'd have probably thought I had a stable full of Nijinsky's, Mill Reefs and Dancing Braves.

Thanks for the offer of horses but in my slightly warped head testing them against other people's horses would feel a bit like cheating and also take the anticipation/fun of seeing what happens in a the real thing away.

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Martin I would stop using times as a pointer to how good your horse or fast they are been many trainers putting up times with horses and breaking record times a few years ago and I cany remember any of them entering the league and winning a league race Times are variable as others have said on different Machines.

Although in principle having other trainers horses to see how good yours are can be off putting ok if yours beat Johns, or Pauls beast but might leave you feeling I won't bother if yours are not has good or close to them and not bother entering the league and could be he reason why some people who have downloaded these horses used them and decided I wont bother entering the league.

I have never raced my horses against any other trainers horses it would put me off you wont be Top of the pile come April Remember Paul has been Breeding since the game came out for the league you wont catch him up within a few weeks you should just enjoy playing the game breeding extra horses and trial your own horses on set Course and Ground for both codes and pick your best horses after a few heats put them in a Named Group in your CK like 2yo Colt Qualified once you have trialled all your 2yo Colts and picked the best varying from 5f to 1m 2f just delete the rest to keep on top of the amount of horses within your CK.

Babbled on a bit the race kit is useless for trialling horses has you will have to shut down the game after every bunch of runners has the horse files get mixed up your better off using your Build in CK.


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Glad I put the idea up before I wasted my time as my set up has pretty good specs and I'd have probably thought I had a stable full of Nijinsky's, Mill Reefs and Dancing Braves.

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A lot of us think that then realise we have a stable full of Quixall Crossett's.. (Real jumps officienados of a certain vintage will understand)


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Pommard wrote:
Glad I put the idea up before I wasted my time as my set up has pretty good specs and I'd have probably thought I had a stable full of Nijinsky's, Mill Reefs and Dancing Braves.



A lot of us think that then realise we have a stable full of Quixall Crossett's.. (Real jumps officienados of a certain vintage will understand)[/quote]


Darren there was only ever one Quixall. A mighty Fine horse. :lol:


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Pommard wrote:
Glad I put the idea up before I wasted my time as my set up has pretty good specs and I'd have probably thought I had a stable full of Nijinsky's, Mill Reefs and Dancing Braves.



A lot of us think that then realise we have a stable full of Quixall Crossett's.. (Real jumps officienados of a certain vintage will understand)[/quote]


lol some of us are old 8)

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simpleminds wrote:
Pommard wrote:
Glad I put the idea up before I wasted my time as my set up has pretty good specs and I'd have probably thought I had a stable full of Nijinsky's, Mill Reefs and Dancing Braves.



A lot of us think that then realise we have a stable full of Quixall Crossett's.. (Real jumps officienados of a certain vintage will understand)



lol some of us are old 8)[/quote]


He tried once to take on the Mighty Dublin Flyer there was only ever going to be one winner in that fight. :lol:


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Before he got too old he was perfectly capable of winning a race, but rather shamefully I think the connections enjoyed the celebrity and didn't do the right thing by the horse.


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It's amazing the reality check you get when trialling your horses against the best in the league.

I have just started breeding my 2m hurdlers for next season and thought I had made a huge breakthrough. I bred a nice colt from one of my mares and a breeding barn stallion that looked like he could improve my horses, so bred a couple of generations with him and his offspring and produced 3 mares, no stallions unfortuneately, who beat my existing league horses by about 7 lengths. I thought this is it, a big breakthrough.

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I still had horse files on my computer from the league races I had run in previous weeks, so I thought I would set up a race between my new mares and the better league horses. I also included my 2 existing league horses in the race.

Form held out and my 3 new mares all beat my existing horses by about 6 lengths, unfortuneately my new mares only finished 2nd, 4th and 5th in the G1 race I had set up. Johns' horse, (ghostzapper) finished 1st and Pauls horse finished 3rd so it wasn't a bad effort on my mares part, but it was a big reality check after thinking I had bred something special.

Maybe it is as other trainers have said, ignore other peoples horses and just concentrate on your own breeding and see where that takes you in next seasons league.

I am still hopefull of breeding a good stallion to this new line of horses and see where that takes my hurdlers.


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Keep plugging away mate


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Wannabe wrote:
It's amazing the reality check you get when trialling your horses against the best in the league.

I have just started breeding my 2m hurdlers for next season and thought I had made a huge breakthrough. I bred a nice colt from one of my mares and a breeding barn stallion that looked like he could improve my horses, so bred a couple of generations with him and his offspring and produced 3 mares, no stallions unfortuneately, who beat my existing league horses by about 7 lengths. I thought this is it, a big breakthrough.

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I still had horse files on my computer from the league races I had run in previous weeks, so I thought I would set up a race between my new mares and the better league horses. I also included my 2 existing league horses in the race.

Form held out and my 3 new mares all beat my existing horses by about 6 lengths, unfortuneately my new mares only finished 2nd, 4th and 5th in the G1 race I had set up. Johns' horse, (ghostzapper) finished 1st and Pauls horse finished 3rd so it wasn't a bad effort on my mares part, but it was a big reality check after thinking I had bred something special.

Maybe it is as other trainers have said, ignore other peoples horses and just concentrate on your own breeding and see where that takes you in next seasons league.

I am still hopefull of breeding a good stallion to this new line of horses and see where that takes my hurdlers.


Which of my hurdlers did u put in then I can tell u if it was my best hurdler. I think it's dangerous to trial against other peoples horses because u either on top of the world or u get a big surprise. I wouldn't run my horses in trial races because u can only bred what u can. My hurdlers are my strongest part of my team ( I don't know why) because I feel like I've spent longer on my chasers and they are no where near as good. :roll:

My breeding program has got out of control and its giving me more problems than answers, I've bred a lot of new hurdlers but I've stopped trialling them because they are all over the place. I need to get a handle on my jumps breeding but luckily I've got a few weeks to sort the mess out.


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Which of my hurdlers did u put in then I can tell u if it was my best hurdler. I think it's dangerous to trial against other peoples horses because u either on top of the world or u get a big surprise. I wouldn't run my horses in trial races because u can only bred what u can. My hurdlers are my strongest part of my team ( I don't know why) because I feel like I've spent longer on my chasers and they are no where near as good. :roll:

My breeding program has got out of control and its giving me more problems than answers, I've bred a lot of new hurdlers but I've stopped trialling them because they are all over the place. I need to get a handle on my jumps breeding but luckily I've got a few weeks to sort the mess out.


I used Asian Maize as a benchmark, it was the only 2m horse of yours I had access to. I appreciate that everyones horses will be better next season, but I was just curious what my new horses could do as they had improved so much on my previous best horses.

I am lucky in that no matter how the trial race had gone, it would not put me off my breeding program. I will just breed the horses as best I can and enter them in the league and hope for the best. That's what I did this season and somehow I managed to get 35 NH winners.

If I can breed a stallion of similiar calibre to the 3 mares, it will give a nice starting point for breeding. So far, all the stallions I have bred from the same pairings as the mares are about 4 lengths slower than the mares.

I have only just switched to breeding NH horses as I have temporarilly put my flat breeding aside as it was not showing the results I had hoped for and I would rather have a good NH team than a flat team.


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Run the trails at different courses, I find there is a radical difference between courses You may find your horses do better elsewhere. Try the the 4 top grade 1 hurdles. This season I uploaded a Cheltenham specialist in Hegemony, mainly because I hadn't played and had to upload my rejects from last season.

Normally I'm quite close to winning the league because of the horses I upload are better at other courses


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