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| Author: | David1uk [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:17 pm ] |
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I believe the nhc schedule will work well for trainers at all levels too i think the only thing that is missing is restricted races which id like to see added to the schedule im thinking 3 resticted races on the weeks with only 25 races from week 3 that will see 21 restcted races added to the schedule but is that enough or would everyone like to see more? problem is this is adding even more races to the schedule with already 309 races so i hope the race secretary dosent mind because it wont be an easy job and will take even longer with so many races at so many at different tracks each week but i would be happy to forget about my stable and do the race secretary job for the nhc if needed |
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| Author: | Hemz [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:21 pm ] |
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I've spoken to Rich, Paul awhile back about this. The idea was to scrap them altogether and have more Handicap races Dave. |
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| Author: | anubisrich [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:48 pm ] |
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Right had a chance to look over the schedule and have to say I like it. There are a couple of key differences as to why the number of handicaps shouldn't be the same as the flat league. The first is that over fences the field of play is a lot fairer, the second is the number of participants which isn't as much as in the flat league which could lead to a lack of competition or the same faces meeting each other each week. The other difficulty is that there are a huge number of possible races, NHF, 2m-4m4f, hurdles and fences. Therefore there are bound to be distances that aren't represented that much. The schedule needs to be tight, we can't have many more races. I'd like to see solutions presented rather than saying "this is bad". April is supposed to be a consultation month. |
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| Author: | PepsiBoy [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:33 pm ] |
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As an average trainer (and believe me there is not a more average trainer than me!  ) i have to say i like the looks of it.
Do we have a date for the horse uploading? I've got some really promising stayers in the pipeline... i have no 2 milers though! And 0 hurdlers 
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| Author: | East Pier Whitby [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:48 pm ] |
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Just for the record: This is bad, and this is why: Chases: 6 8 15000 Castleford H’cap Chase Wetherby Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-120 2m Chase 9 28 75000 Johnny Henderson Grand Annual Chase Cheltenham Winter/Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 2m Chase 10 3 70000 Red Rum Graded Handicap Chase Aintree Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 2m Chase 11 6 30000 Albert Bartlett Hcp Chase Ayr Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-140 2m Chase 3 5 70000 Totepool Haldon Gold Cup H’cap Chase Wetherby Autumn/Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 2m1f Chase 4 3 30000 Carey Group Hcp Chase Ascot Autumn/Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-140 2m1f Chase 9 23 70000 Vicent O'Brien County Handicap Hurdle Cheltenham Winter/Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 2m1f Chase 3 4 10000 Stephenson Hcp Chase Wetherby Autumn/Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-120 2m3f Chase 3 11 150000 Paddy Power Gold Cup H’cap Chase Cheltenham Autumn/Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 2m4f Chase 8 19 18000 Fontwell H’cap Chase Fontwell Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-140 2m4f Chase 11 8 30000 Hillhouse Quarry Hcp Chase Ayr Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-140 2m4f Chase 12 13 55000 Irish Daily Mirror Graded Handicap Chase Punchestown Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 2m4f Chase 4 10 60000 Grand Sefton Hcp Chase (NAT) Aintree Autumn/Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-140 2m5f Chase 5 12 150000 December Gold Cup H’cap Chase Cheltenham Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 2m5f Chase 6 11 43000 Victor Chandler H’cap Chase Cheltenham Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 2m5f Chase 7 13 45000 Festival Trials Day H’cap Chase Cheltenham Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 2m5f Chase 9 20 75000 Byrne Group Plate Grd Handicap Cheltenham Winter/Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 2m5f Chase 10 16 90000 John Smith's Topham Handicap Chase (NAT) Aintree Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-160 2m5f Chase 11 1 45000 Silver Trophy Handicap Chase Cheltenham Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-160 2m5f Chase 12 7 75000 Equitrek Finlay Ford Graded Handicap Chase Punchestown Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 2m5f Chase 12 16 25000 Ernst & Young Handicap Chase Punchestown Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-140 2m6f Chase 3 22 15000 Down Royal Hcp Chase Down Royal Autumn/Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-120 2m7f Chase 10 4 40000 John Smith's Fox Hunter's Hcp Chase (NAT) Aintree Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-160 2m7f Chase 4 7 30000 Betfair Hcp Chase Haydock Autumn/Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-140 3m Chase 5 2 24000 Rehearsal H’cap Chase Newcastle Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-140 3m Chase 7 7 50000 Peter Marsh H’cap Chase Haydock Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 3m Chase 8 14 100000 Racing Post H’cap Chase Kempton Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 3m Chase 9 3 75000 Stewart Family Spinal Research Grd Hcp Chase Cheltenham Winter/Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 3m Chase 12 21 57500 KFM Cup Handicap Chase Punchestown Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-160 3m Chase 3 6 70000 Badger Ales Trophy H’cap Chase Wincanton Autumn/Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-140 3m1f Chase 4 9 100000 Totesport Becher H’cap Chase (NAT) Aintree Autumn/Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-160 3m1f Chase 6 7 40000 Coral Rowland Meyrick H’cap Chase Wetherby Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 3m1f Chase 9 21 50000 Fulke Walwyn Kim Muir Handicap Cheltenham Winter/Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-140 3m1f Chase 10 12 65000 John Smith's Handicap Chase Aintree Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-140 3m1f Chase 11 9 20000 Scotland Securities Grd Hcp Chase Ayr Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 3m1f Chase 4 15 175000 Hennessy Gold Cup H’cap Chase Newbury Autumn/Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 3m2f Chase 11 26 20000 Fairyhouse Long H’cap Chase Fairyhouse Spring 4yo All Sexes Open 0-140 3m2f Chase 3 12 50000 Morson Group H’cap Chase Cheltenham Autumn/Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 3m3f Chase 12 22 32500 Stephens Green Hibernian Handicap Chase Punchestown Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-140 3m3f Chase 5 24 35000 Moores Millions Stayers Series Race Punchstown Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 3m4f Chase 6 24 45000 Moores Millions Stayers Series Race Leopardstown Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 3m4f Chase 8 11 75000 Blue Square Gold Cup H’cap Chase Haydock Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 3m4f Chase 3 25 10000 Moores Millions Stayers Series Race Sligo Autumn/Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-140 3m5f Chase 5 8 30000 London National H’cap Chase Sandown Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-140 3m5f Chase 6 16 100000 Coral Welsh National H’cap Chase Chepstow Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 3m5f Chase 8 24 70000 Moores Millions Stayers Series Race Downpatrick Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 3m5f Chase 11 20 250000 Ladbrokes Irish Grand National Fairyhouse Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-160 3m5f Chase 6 25 45000 Moores Millions Stayers Series Race Leopardstown Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-160 3m6f Chase 7 24 45000 Moores Millions Stayers Series Race Navan Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-160 3m6f Chase 10 24 37500 Liverpool FC Handicap Chase Aintree Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-160 3m6f Chase 4 24 10000 Moores Millions Stayers Series Race Fairyhouse Autumn/Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-140 3m7f Chase 9 5 40000 Glenfarclas Handicap Chase Cheltenham Winter/Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-160 3m7f Chase 7 25 45000 Moores Millions Stayers Series Race Navan Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 4m Chase 5 10 25000 Huntingdon Marathon H’cap Chase Huntingdon Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-140 4m1f Chase 5 25 35000 Moores Millions Stayers Series Race Punchstown Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 4m1f Chase 8 20 80000 Midlands Grand National H’cap Chase Uttoxeter Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-160 4m1f Chase 11 10 200000 Coral Scottish Grand National H’cap Chase Ayr Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 4m1f Chase 4 25 10000 Moores Millions Stayers Series Race Fairyhouse Autumn/Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-140 4m2f Chase 6 5 30000 William Hill Marathon H’cap Chase Kempton Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-160 4m2f Chase 7 10 24000 Grand National Trial H’cap Chase Haydock Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 4m3f Chase 8 25 70000 Moores Millions Stayers Series Race Downpatrick Winter 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 4m4f Chase 10 22 925000 Grand National Chase Grd 3 Hcp (NAT) Aintree Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 4m4f Chase 11 28 250000 Moores Millions Stayers Chase Final (NAT) Aintree Spring 4yo+ All Sexes Open 0-180 4m4f Chase Three 0-120 Handicaps Eighteen 0-140 Handicaps Twelve 0-160 Handicaps Thirty 0-180 Handicaps (Graded Handicaps) There are already over 200 actual non handicap graded races for these horses. But just one high rated horse in the 0-160 or 0-180 handicaps makes almost the entire field run from out of the handicap as there will be no other viable alternative. Here is the solution: Less 0-160 and 0-180 Handicaps A lot more more 0-120 and 0-140. A cap on the top rated horse of 140 means almost the entire field runs from inside the handicap. Don't suppose any of this will happen, so I will leave you to it - I'm out of here. |
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| Author: | anubisrich [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:51 pm ] |
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Why wouldn't it happen? This all depends on what horses are handicapped at. Currently the top rated horse in the league is around 150, if we have a handicapper the top rated horse should be 180+. If only the absolute worst horses were rated 120 or lower why wouldn't this work? |
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| Author: | East Pier Whitby [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:58 pm ] |
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It would work - but it needs to be implemented by the man in charge of the schedule. 80% 0-140, 10% 0-120, 5% 0-160 and 5% 0-180. |
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| Author: | anubisrich [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:08 pm ] |
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What I'm worried about with such a split would be potential for sameyness, in that the same horses would compete against each other in 0-140 handicaps week in week out, I'd like to see those rated in high 130s taking their chance in 0-160 races. The weights system is not perfect when running in a race and that's why I think a wider mix would make more sense so horses aren't running at the same end of the weights every week. |
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| Author: | Hemz [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:18 pm ] |
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Having looked over the schedule about 10 times tonight. It's looks pretty good to me. The schedule Needs a Handicapper for sure!!! Also i like the balance of races spread over each week. Distances looks good to me. Cannot understand why you are picking faults. If Paul's happy, Rich, Dave, Ryan. Thats good enough for me. We all know how must hard work you have put in, for next Flat Season. All am saying is leave the NH to us, don't take this personal ok. We know what we are doing. Btw EPW!!! It's not a schedule for 10 top trainers. It's designed for all level of play. |
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| Author: | East Pier Whitby [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:20 pm ] |
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55% 0-140, 10% 0-120, 25% 0-160, 10% 0-180, |
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| Author: | Hemz [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:22 pm ] |
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Yeh So!!!!!!! |
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| Author: | Hemz [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:23 pm ] |
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Did you follow last season EPW?? 55% perfect for 0-140 horses. |
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| Author: | East Pier Whitby [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:30 pm ] |
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Ha ha, but in the schedule 0-140 races are not 55% they are 28%. You said it yourself 55% is perfect! That is what I am proposing! |
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| Author: | Hemz [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:04 pm ] |
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Just leave it at that EPW. Getting boring now. |
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| Author: | David1uk [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:23 pm ] |
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Steve your worrying too much about the graded handicap races it will be rare that the top horses in the league will join these races because it is so tough to win a nhc handicap at top weight or even a high weight so trainers will most likely look for a graded race that week instead so really we could see alot of the graded hcps really turning out to be 0-140 hcps the schedule will work out great for everyone and im sure we will get a good mix of winners each week just like last season |
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