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keithbeaky
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Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:47 pm Posts: 2407 Location: UK
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 Re: FLAT SCHEDULE 2014
Off the top of my head both Nick Driver and Follis have both said on this forum that they have really struggled for races this season. So I would guess there aren't enough handicaps.
Now you dont need three trials for the 2000 Guineas when at the same time there aren't any low class handicaps at all. Do you think that is fair on the lesser trainers?
And if Supercat didn't keep deleting my posts then I had explained more what races should go. Also get rid of the Ormonde stakes as the Yorkshire Cup is only .5f different. Again replace it with a low grade handicap over a suitable distance.
Why dont you look at the low grade races and also how many 70-90 rated horses have been running in Group races ALL season because of the complete lack of handicaps at their level.
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Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:40 pm |
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keithbeaky
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:47 pm Posts: 2407 Location: UK
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 Re: FLAT SCHEDULE 2014
Could you point out to me what races a new trainer has to aim for in week 2 please? There are multiple Listed and Group races from 7-10f but no low class handicaps. I dont think that is catering for everyone.
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Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:46 pm |
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simpleminds
Group 1 winner
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:56 pm Posts: 5746 Location: uk
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 Re: FLAT SCHEDULE 2014
keithbeaky wrote: Could you point out to me what races a new trainer has to aim for in week 2 please? There are multiple Listed and Group races from 7-10f but no low class handicaps. I dont think that is catering for everyone. Week 1 and Week 2 are mostly Maiden races and as always been that way tell you what I will do I will cut half of Meydan or Half the Maiden Races turn them into Handicaps? and we will have horse's well handicapped on just one run I wanted being the handicapper get horses properly Handicapped with two runs. So Matt what races do you want me to cut in Week 2 and what races should replace these races. Gray
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Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:11 pm |
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simpleminds
Group 1 winner
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:56 pm Posts: 5746 Location: uk
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 Re: FLAT SCHEDULE 2014
keithbeaky wrote: And Paul dont email me telling me to get a life. Its obvious you all hate me but you dont need to email me stuff like that. And could you keep your private and other peoples private messages off the forum there is no need for that really. Gray
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Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:14 pm |
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simpleminds
Group 1 winner
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:56 pm Posts: 5746 Location: uk
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 Re: FLAT SCHEDULE 2014
Matt get back on topic please tell me which races you want Chopped in week 2 and which races you want in then others can agree or disagree with you.
Gray
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Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:32 pm |
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ghostzapper74
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:03 am Posts: 4148 Location: Wales
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 Re: FLAT SCHEDULE 2014
Everyone needs to speak up if they think some things need to change on the schedule. Gray needs u advice otherwise how does he know if there's a problem. I cant speak on this subject because I've only had about 5 runners in H'caps this season so I don't know if there's a problem.
So to all the trainers that had lots of runners in the h'caps need to come in here and tell Gray what they think and how they think they can improve the schedule.
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Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:58 pm |
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follis86
Group 2 winner
Joined: Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:37 pm Posts: 853
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 Re: FLAT SCHEDULE 2014
Some weeks have been an issue placing horses in appropriate races but I have got a full stable of 20 so this is to be expected. However, personally I would like to see more handicaps as I will have more chance of winners. This is purely selfish though. My flat horses will never be great as I concentrate much more on the jumps. More handicaps - yes At the expense of maidens in week 2 - probably not
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Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:36 pm |
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simpleminds
Group 1 winner
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:56 pm Posts: 5746 Location: uk
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 Re: FLAT SCHEDULE 2014
Thanks ghost it helps when more trainers say what they think and Follis every little helps it is pointless to do everything down to one person matt is very Active on the schedule but he's not the only person I need to have opinion on if its to be a fair and just schedule.
On that point Matt's suggested to get rid of The Ormonde Stakes at Chester I can do this and put in a Handicap leave it at 1m 5f or switch to 1m 7f 3Plus Or anybody else wants to see something else
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Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:55 pm |
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jalupen
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:00 am Posts: 1288
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 Re: FLAT SCHEDULE 2014
can see where people are coming from but purely from a selfish point I have only 3 horses rated under 113 where do they run ? the other 3 are 110 105 103 what about adding a few more races onto the existing schedule and tweaking the one we have? perhaps 12 a day surely 36 races per week will please everyone if this is feasable
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Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:11 pm |
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simpleminds
Group 1 winner
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:56 pm Posts: 5746 Location: uk
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 Re: FLAT SCHEDULE 2014
Week 4 has been altered Ormonde Stakes Chester Deleted extra Handicap Race 1m 7f 3+ 0-100 Added at Pontefract in place if anyone would rather see a different distance HANDICAP let me know.
Gray
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Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:35 pm |
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simpleminds
Group 1 winner
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:56 pm Posts: 5746 Location: uk
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 Re: FLAT SCHEDULE 2014
With the New All Weather Champions day being run next season I would like to offer the flat league a New All Weather Champions day (HANDICAP'S) final days for low rated handicap horse's maxi rating final 0-100 this will take place in Week12.
Your opinions are welcomed before setting out on the Plan views will be most Welcomed.
Gray
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Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:42 pm |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15187 Location: Republic of Ireland
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 Re: FLAT SCHEDULE 2014
sounds good
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Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:53 pm |
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ghostzapper74
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:03 am Posts: 4148 Location: Wales
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 Re: FLAT SCHEDULE 2014
simpleminds wrote: With the New All Weather Champions day being run next season I would like to offer the flat league a New All Weather Champions day (HANDICAP'S) final days for low rated handicap horse's maxi rating final 0-100 this will take place in Week12.
Your opinions are welcomed before setting out on the Plan views will be most Welcomed.
Gray Great Idea Perhaps u should have to run three times also. So only genuine 0-100 run in them. Also have more races than in real life, there's only six races perhaps have nine races. 6F 3+ £250,000 7F 3+ £250,000 1m 3+ £250,000 1m2F 3+ £250,000 1m4F 3+ £250,000 1m6F 3+ £250,000 2m 3+ £250,000 6F 2yo £200,000 8F 2yo £200,000 It gives all the smaller horses something to aim for.
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Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:09 pm |
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simpleminds
Group 1 winner
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:56 pm Posts: 5746 Location: uk
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I was thinking this I have to put these races around the Finished Schedule checking Non Distance Clashes etc and will be Extra Races.  Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:20 pm |
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ghostzapper74
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:03 am Posts: 4148 Location: Wales
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 Re: FLAT SCHEDULE 2014
Do they have to run in one of the qualifier's to enter the finals.
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Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:17 pm |
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