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simpleminds
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Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:56 pm Posts: 5746 Location: uk
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 Re: September NH Schedule Debate
Sorry kent national will be replaced find something else around the same time of year like surrey national at lingfield. Changed the Kent National to surrey National Here is the final Draft http://www.mediafire.com/?ayszssk57p1kvil
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:15 pm |
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simpleminds
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Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:56 pm Posts: 5746 Location: uk
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 Re: September NH Schedule Debate
keithbeaky wrote: Ah ok I thought you were doing a complete re-write, starting from scratch. Sorry. Last season's schedule was chronologically incorrect, had a lot of made up races, races at the wrong tracks and distance and races which were discontinued years ago.
Did you mean Folkestone for Kent National?
I'm aware you can't have several of the same races in one week. Maybe someone could do the tables for the races to make sure there is a balance. Matt apart from the first two weeks week 3 onwards was a complete re-write Link to just View http://www.mediafire.com/view/ayszssk57 ... _GRAY.xlsxLink to Download http://www.mediafire.com/download/ayszs ... _GRAY.xlsx
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:09 pm |
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akhc
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Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:53 pm Posts: 860
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 Re: September NH Schedule Debate
Gray just looking at the new version of the schedules  I am unclear what NHF means in the sex column.. is this open or for fillies only? Looking at the races I suspect it's open.
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:42 pm |
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akhc
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Is there a list of what the different race types are? I'm not sure the race types and races tie up correctly - maybe worth rechecking these?
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:49 pm |
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simpleminds
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Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:56 pm Posts: 5746 Location: uk
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akhc wrote: Is there a list of what the different race types are? I'm not sure the race types and races tie up correctly - maybe worth rechecking these? Race type 19 = NHF races Race sex Column NHF Or Open means both sex but should be down as all Open apart from the Mares race at Navan and the mares NHF at Aintree but will clean everything up once everybody is fine with the schedule Andy. P.s Andy I don't know if leon as spoken to you yet but the New Flat ID will be 3 for next season. RACE TYPES KEY TO SCHEDULES FLAT 10 Group Races 11 Listed 12 Group Handicap 13 Handicaps 14 Maidens 15 2yo Group Races 16 2yo Listed 17 Nursery 18 2yo Maidens NATIONAL HUNT 19 NH FLat Race 20 Group Hurdle-------------------------30 Group Chase 21 Group H'Cap Hurdle-------------------31 Group H'Cap Chase 22 Handicap Hurdle ----------------------32 Handicap Chase 23 Listed Hurdle-------------------------33 Listed Chase 24 Maiden Hurdle------------------------34 Maiden Chase 25 Novice Hurdle------------------------35 Novice Chase 26 Group Novice Hurdle------------------36 Group Novice Chase ----------------------------------------37 Hunters Chase
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keithbeaky
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Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:47 pm Posts: 2407 Location: UK
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 Re: September NH Schedule Debate
simpleminds wrote: keithbeaky wrote: Ah ok I thought you were doing a complete re-write, starting from scratch. Sorry. Last season's schedule was chronologically incorrect, had a lot of made up races, races at the wrong tracks and distance and races which were discontinued years ago.
Did you mean Folkestone for Kent National?
I'm aware you can't have several of the same races in one week. Maybe someone could do the tables for the races to make sure there is a balance. Matt apart from the first two weeks week 3 onwards was a complete re-write Link to just View http://www.mediafire.com/view/ayszssk57 ... _GRAY.xlsxLink to Download http://www.mediafire.com/download/ayszs ... _GRAY.xlsxExcellent thats exactly what was needed. I'll give it a full look in a week or so. Hopefully people are looking it over as I made some mistakes with the flat last year, and its hard to spot them all on your own. I plan to have a full NH team next season. Though I struggle with 4m+ horses. Whats the trick there?
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Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:58 pm |
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simpleminds
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keithbeaky wrote: simpleminds wrote: keithbeaky wrote: Ah ok I thought you were doing a complete re-write, starting from scratch. Sorry. Last season's schedule was chronologically incorrect, had a lot of made up races, races at the wrong tracks and distance and races which were discontinued years ago.
Did you mean Folkestone for Kent National?
I'm aware you can't have several of the same races in one week. Maybe someone could do the tables for the races to make sure there is a balance. Matt apart from the first two weeks week 3 onwards was a complete re-write Link to just View http://www.mediafire.com/view/ayszssk57 ... _GRAY.xlsxLink to Download http://www.mediafire.com/download/ayszs ... _GRAY.xlsxExcellent thats exactly what was needed. I'll give it a full look in a week or so. Hopefully people are looking it over as I made some mistakes with the flat last year, and its hard to spot them all on your own. I plan to have a full NH team next season. Though I struggle with 4m+ horses. Whats the trick there? Just a note Matt Week two Doncaster is scrapped it's now Ascot plus all NHF sex column have been done to either Open or mares races will still say NHF in some races on the sex column on the files above. Gray
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Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:05 pm |
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keithbeaky
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 Re: September NH Schedule Debate
Ok mate. I think the Doncaster meeting was a very old meeting in real life which never got changed. Its a big ask doing a complete re-write. I'll take a look properly when I can.
Can you do tables of the races?
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Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:07 pm |
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simpleminds
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lol when I get time I will look for you.
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Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:24 pm |
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simpleminds
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This is the spread Matt well this is my spread not that good but hey  Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:41 pm |
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akhc
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 Re: September NH Schedule Debate
I downloaded the Schedule you posted above Gray and I can't get the numbers you have posted for the schedule breakdown. Doing a filter of the 16 and 16.5f races, I find 98 instead of the 104 you have on your table.  FWIW this is the table I get from Excel 
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Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:27 am |
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keithbeaky
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 Re: September NH Schedule Debate
I think the spread is pretty good, Gray. From scratch you've done a great job. I understand the number is higher for 2m because of bumpers and juvenile hurdles but do you think the number is a bit high still? 15 2m Novice hurdles in a 13 week season? Whats the ratio between Graded 2m nov hurdles and just normal 2m novice hurdles? 2m6 might need more races in general? Also more chases over 3m2?
Some races I couldn't see:
Grimthorpe Chase from Doncaster Devon Marathon, which you explained before. Prestige Novices Hurdle(Albert Bartlett) from Haydock. Prep for Spa Novices at Cheltenham. Haydock National Trial Rendlesham Hurdle from Haydock Sidney Banks Memorial Novices' Hurdle from Huntingdon Premier Kelso Hurdle. Their feature race The Kempton February meeting with the Adonis, Dovecote, Pendil, Racing Plus Betfair Hurdle from Newbury Eider from Newcastle. Summer National from Uttoxeter Leamington Novices Hurdle, Kingmaker and Classic Chase from Warwick
I know its impossible to get them all in but there are some big races like the Grimthorpe, Rendlesham, Betfair Hurdle and Eider. Also Kempton February meeting normally has some Cheltenham horses running there as does the Albert Bartlett from Haydock.
I think the schedule is fantastic and I know it was a lot of hard work. The SO5 schedule has a lot of mistakes in it though so be careful if you're going off that. Another thing that doesn't help is the names of races changing so much these days. I might have listed a race which you have put in but didn't know of the name change.
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Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:54 am |
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simpleminds
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Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:56 pm Posts: 5746 Location: uk
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akhc wrote: I downloaded the Schedule you posted above Gray and I can't get the numbers you have posted for the schedule breakdown. Doing a filter of the 16 and 16.5f races, I find 98 instead of the 104 you have on your table.  FWIW this is the table I get from Excel  That's because it has changed above there where six novice chases in week 12 I scrapped Ayr's future novice Chase to Coral Backing Poppyscotland H'cap Hurdle over 3miles and one race at Sandown is now a novice Hurdle in week 9 Esher Novice hurdle.
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Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:31 am |
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simpleminds
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Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:56 pm Posts: 5746 Location: uk
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keithbeaky wrote: I think the spread is pretty good, Gray. From scratch you've done a great job. I understand the number is higher for 2m because of bumpers and juvenile hurdles but do you think the number is a bit high still? 15 2m Novice hurdles in a 13 week season? Whats the ratio between Graded 2m nov hurdles and just normal 2m novice hurdles? 2m6 might need more races in general? Also more chases over 3m2?
Some races I couldn't see:
Grimthorpe Chase from Doncaster Devon Marathon, which you explained before. Prestige Novices Hurdle(Albert Bartlett) from Haydock. Prep for Spa Novices at Cheltenham. Haydock National Trial Rendlesham Hurdle from Haydock Sidney Banks Memorial Novices' Hurdle from Huntingdon Premier Kelso Hurdle. Their feature race The Kempton February meeting with the Adonis, Dovecote, Pendil, Racing Plus Betfair Hurdle from Newbury Eider from Newcastle. Summer National from Uttoxeter Leamington Novices Hurdle, Kingmaker and Classic Chase from Warwick
I know its impossible to get them all in but there are some big races like the Grimthorpe, Rendlesham, Betfair Hurdle and Eider. Also Kempton February meeting normally has some Cheltenham horses running there as does the Albert Bartlett from Haydock.
I think the schedule is fantastic and I know it was a lot of hard work. The SO5 schedule has a lot of mistakes in it though so be careful if you're going off that. Another thing that doesn't help is the names of races changing so much these days. I might have listed a race which you have put in but didn't know of the name change. Yes I know matt Kempton as two races in Week 8 which is around February time in the schedule the problem is that that week still has some January racing you got Meeting's at Cheltenham2 races with the Dipper chase in Newbury 3 races with the Callow Hurdle Sandown 5 races with two graded1 Novice races 1 Hurdle 1 Chase warwick as 3 races with the Classic Chase Ascot as 4 races with the Victor Chandler Haydock as 3 races with two graded races aswell I have Added Ffos las with the welsh Champion Hurdle 3 races two races from Leopardstown with The Hennesey Gold Cup which left 7 races 3 from thurles taking in the Kinloch Brae Chase and a minor meeting at Carlisle 4 races. Week 9 was also impossible to add any if you look at the schedule which I will put up this afternoon you can see not every race can be catered for I tried to refresh the schedule making sure Novices had a run through the season built good races around them then made sure that enough minor races for new trainers to aim at Matt. Most of the list above Matt I explained in a earlier post i.e Summer National already have two nationals in week 13. Gray
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Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:52 am |
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keithbeaky
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The Rendlesham, Betfair Hurdle and Eider are big races in the NH calender.
I cant really make head or tail of your last post. Anyway dont worry. Its great.
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Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:00 pm |
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