The answer is no one. The racekit does it. Can you now answer my questions please. Was Jamie named as a hex cheat and what is the other stuff which never went public? I think you should be very clear here.

Yes Jamie was hex editing, from what was discovered most of the trainers in the top ten placings in the league were doing it and it had been going on as far back as SO3, although it is believe that one old timer was doing it back in SO2, that person is no longer around. The person that first did hex editing (that we know of) taught others how to do it, it then got out of hand and loads of trainers starting doing it, there was some debate as to why the individual that started it all decided to come clean but he did and it opened a can of worms. Another cheating method that some trainers got caught doing was horse duplicating, when they got a great horse they'd somehow make a copy of it and enter that horse into the league along with the original. Now you can see why some honest players never came back especially as there was some hostility towards them for exposing it in order to get it stopped.

So if the race kit exposes dodgy horses it's the person running the race that will find out? Can the race be run with dodgy horses or does the race kit prevent the race from running?

Ok. I think a lot those who were hexing continued to play in future seasons and played legally. I dont think cheating will be a problem next season as Mark changed the security as a result of the cheating which was discovered. Some people had a bit of a hissy fit last season about people cheating, due to Australian breeding, but no one was and this has also now been fixed. Rich ran the league very well imo for many seasons and he was around during all the cheating. He had things to say on it which I still think are relevant now. I dont think Jamie is planning to cheat next season, he didn't even enter last season, and I also think he is the best man to take the league forward. Everyone is entitled to a different opinion but thats mine.

As far as everyone is aware the racekit is supposed to flag up any horse's file which may have been altered. It has been like that for almost three years. Im surprised if you were around at the time that you dont already know this?

Did you used to post under a different name, dicey? And are you planning to enter next season? Although I feel your points are valid to an extent I also feel you have posted to cause trouble and dig up problems, which have been dealt with by Mark, from three years ago. I might be wrong but thats how it looks.

My intention was to enter Keith as I feel PJ and Leon have done a splendid job getting the league going after Rich left, but then I read this thread and my confidence in this new league took a hit, this is why I wanted to know how horse files are checked. My understanding was there was an external piece of software that checked the horse files and Mark did this but what you're saying is different. I didn't hang around here much to find out more about this after the league collapsed due to being pissed off about it all.

As far as causing trouble is concerned, no, I need to have confidence in those in charge if I'm to enter and so does everyone else. Given the past I do not trust Jamie one bit (and everyone has a right to know, at least if it goes wrong they can't say they didn't know the risk) but if the horse files are checked by Mark or the league kit stops races from running with tampered horse files etc that would go some way to easing my concerns, from what you're saying this doesn't seem to be the case, and if it isn't the case I won't enter whilst Jamie is at the helm.

Been away all day helping a friend move house, and it seems there have been some interesting developments whilst I've been away.

Good to see you resurface from the woodwork dicey to try and disrupt things again, however to your relief you'll be glad to know I have absolutely nothing to do with the horse files, these will be down to the race secs and the kit itself which Mark fixed approximately 3 years ago - for somebody so clued up on the league goings on I would have thought you'd have known about the changes (which were made very public on the forum).

For the record and I'll keep this fairly brief because I am fed up of going over old ground time and time again when people like yourself feel the need to bring up ancient history when things are trying to go forward in a positive light.

1. Yes I did hex edit back in the days of SO3. I wasn't the first person to do it (in my knowledge) and only did so to stay competitive with other trainers. The hex editing only affected the age of the horse (you could change a 4yo to 3yo etc) and thus you'd gain a length or two extra but no other variables could be edited - although I do admit doing this was wrong, and although I wasn't alone in doing it shouldn't have happened in the first place and I served my time for my crime, some of those others who did it never came to light - and to be honest I'm not going to dig through the mud to tarnish their reputations, it's old news - times have moved on and technology has advanced.

2. In regards my 'cheating' your refer to. Me and Jacob (DB) swapped some horse files at the very start of SO4 I think it was and crossed our lines to see if we could make them any better. At the time there were no rules to suggest this wasn't allowed and were we doing it in the interests of gaining an unfair advantage then we wouldn't have made everyone aware of the situation like we did. In hindsight I agree it was giving my horses an unfair advantage and with the ability to wind back the clock I wouldn't have done it - I suppose I got too competitive at the time, and since then I've learnt to not take things so seriously and it is only a game. I rebuilt my string from scratch to my final season in SO4 and although all my lines were clean (and I bred good horses) people still weren't convinced that I hadn't doctored my files in some way or another, which I maintain I didn't.

The new security measures in SO5 means this is impossible to do without being detected, the hex editing feature was exposed to Mark before SO4 came out and was fixed so files can no longer be edited/changed.

If people are happy with me to continue in the role as president after reading the information above then I'll continue, but if you feel I'm not the best man for the job then I'll gladly step down.

If you want to take over as president dicey and run the league your way, dedicating around 15-20 hours a week, you would have the option of banning the supposed 'cheats' you have the inside scoop on.

Food for thought.

Ok fair enough. Leon will deal with extracting all the horse files from TOM and I think that Kev and Gray will run the races. I doubt Jamie will have anything to do with any of that.

I think you should try to trust Jamie again, he's a good guy. I have full trust in Jamie and Leon running the league/s. Most of the players caught cheating have left and of those playing now im probably closest to Jamie and I doubt I'll even enter the league next season. So if Jamie was planning to cheat somehow with anyone Im pretty sure it would be me. Ok so we tell each other things we have learnt, none of which is cheating but using your brain, but most of what we know and use to improve our league horses is on this forum. What did you think whilst Rich was in charge?

If Jamie being president is your only reason for not entering then that is your choice. However I would say its not the right reason.

Food for thought, no not at all. Being justifiably concerned about you being in charge given your history does not automatically infer that I wish to replace you. It's just a shame PJ had to stand down, but obviously health must come first. Most of the rest of your post does not warrant a response except the bit where you claim you came forward about the horse swapping saga, you didn't, this was exposed by several members and only then did the extent to which cheating had gone on was discovered. If everyone wants you in charge, that's fine, but I think I'll wait until you move on and someone with greater integrity takes over, however long that takes.

Other than that Keith has kindly given me the answer I needed.

I took part in my first season and thought it was great last season but i'm surprised and shocked the length's people will go to win. It's a GAME for Christ sake, if u cant do something on u own then perhaps u should stop playing this great game. If u win buy cheating then that can't give u a good feeling... can it??

Lets hope Drugs and hexs( whatever they are) are not employed next season.

Being a Race secretary and one of the people who run the races last season the race kit detects any corrupt file ( Horse File ) and if there is a Corrupt file the Race Kit Crashes and wont work until you manually remove the corrupt file ( Horse File )Pj or Leon don't or in Pauls Case didn't have anything to do with the race kit just me and Kev use it and with a bit of luck someone will help in the coming season.

Leon Handles the horse files which is puts into folders for me and kev to run the races I can assure you cheating is a thing of the past the race Kit Detects any Dupilcation or Hexing and Breeding from other trainers lines Jamie like paul will have nothing to do with running the races his job is president of UKRA Flat and that's all.

Gray

Indeed, but I never suggested you were looking to replace me, I was merely offering you the opportunity to take up the role.

I think we are never going to get along, and I can only improve my conduct towards the future and this is what I have been doing over the last couple of seasons I've been participating. Your comment about my integrity is again down to your opinion, I know full well I have great integrity and I won't let a couple of silly mistakes I've done years ago tarnish that - if you feel you can't play in the league under my guidance then I'm sorry, in actual fact I have absolutely no control over the league, other than helping things tick along on a weekly basis and taking some of the workload off Leon and Paul.

If you aren't happy with that then it's down to you, and obviously if others feel likewise then they need to voice their opinions so things can be resolved quickly so the league can move forward.

been away since this afternoon
firstly i do not or never will condone cheating
but I think all that Gray and Jamie have said on this should put everyones minds at ease 100%
i think Jamie has put his view over in a genuine & conscientious way
Cheating is no longer possible & therefore no longer an issue
This week was the first time i had contact with Jamie outside of the forum
and i find him to be a decent person & more importantly someone i feel i can trust 100%
we all make mistakes in life
Everyone deserves a 2nd chance
i think he will make a good president going forward
thats my opinion on the matter

hi guys..

Im really sad to see you step down as president paul, but health must come first..
I support Jamie 100% he seems like a very decent guy and has helped many newbies like me, past is past and people change and like what paul says everyone needs a second chance..
So lets enjoy our second season and see if my donkeys can do better.lol
To be honest i have not breed anything in 3 weeks i have stopped completely because it is too much of a grind and i could not breed, breed and breed i just got tired of it..but i will be entering my horses i breed last month and hope they can get me a decent handicap.. I just want to enjoy the league and not have to go through the grind of breeding everyday, so any win and i will be happy..
Peace Out guys

P.S. I see in TOM that Blazer Stallion is the best 1mile handiccaper last season..Yipee

My thoughts

1. First of all Dicey. Who are you? I have been involved in the league since SO2 and have never heard of you.

2. These events happened over 3 years ago. It really is time to move on instead of appearing out of nowhere and attempt to cause strive in the league. It serves no positive purpose I can think of that benefits the league

3. With regards Jamie. What he did was not illegal at the time but considered unpsortsmanlike. Rules have since been put in place to ban the swapping of files to make this position clear

4. At the moment the race secs Kev, Nick ( both been around since So2 ) and Gray run the races. I handle the security, horse files , programming side of things and nothing has changed here. I will continue to do this. None of us 4 have any blemish , accusations or anything negative on our SO league records. As far as I can see this means the league is in safe hands. Interbred horse files are very easy to spot with Mark's changes.

5. With regards Hex editing. You obviously haven't bothered to read Mark's posts before posting here.

6. The league was defunct before Paul and myself started it up again. And by most accounts most people enjoyed last season. I think this should be taking into consideration. Paul will still be involved, but by his request wants a smaller role and this should be respected as he has done a great job.

7. Paul wants to step down for health reasons, and this must be respected. I feel that to go back to a league of only 1 person knowing everything is bad for moving things forward. We need someone else to know as much as about running the league as myself. Jamie has come forward and offered his help. And I along with other staff support him.

8. Finally we need to move on from things that happened over 3 years ago. We living in 2013 and not 2010. The league is probably the most open and fairest its ever been. One just has to scroll through the posts by people like Paul and Andy to see that help on improving your horses is easy to find.

Its time to move forward, the new season starts in just over a month and we should looking at ways to improve things not dragging up things from eons ago that I may add have been dealt with by Mark and can't be replicated without the perpetrators been expelled from the league.

Leon

Duplicate horses. This is extremely easy to spot and these people will be removed from the league if caught. With the way people are using tff files at the moment there is no real point in doing this.

The hex editing stuff will often produce a corrupt horse file in the race kit so again this will be easy to spot.

Mark has made changes to improve security in the race kit.

If people are still concerned about cheating they can email me and I will look to see if I can implement some code to verify horse files.

Its highly unlikely any cheating is taking place at present and it will be hard to do while I'm involved.

I think all that needs to be said has. If no one else comes forward with the same issues then its full steam ahead from here. Has Andy been on the forum? Is the schedule ready?