i understand the colin decision, dont get me wrong. what i wanted to do was juxtapose the 2 situations together to show how the reason behind them was the same!!

in the case of colin game however, it is a fair enuf reason. but in the case of this nhc debate it is sad that this is the reason for it

Haven't read much not been around, uni is a complete nut at the moment....All my horses want firm, due to them being flat horses but I again think firm is unacceptable lol so have voted for a retake on the weather!

I don't think people are voting to damage the better trainers chances. They may feel they have a better chance if the ground is firm which is fair enough.

Similarly, I don't think the ground should be changed because the best horses in the league like soft ground.

Currently it's looking like firm will stay, I hope everyone competes. What is it they say, a good horse wins on any ground?

yeah , they also say that great horses like denman can carry huge weights to hennessy success but we all know in the league it isnt possible to carry huge weights to victory

maybe i am wrong rich, but it is just a few of the nhc trainers opinions voiced by me. if i was right and it did have something to do with that then i think its a real shame for the league.

at the end of the day the reasons im seeing posted on here for not changing the ground are all missing the point:

trainers encountering unsuitable ground conditions misses the point, being to a jumps meeting where the ground was firm misses the point, the flat league not having firm much this season misses the point!!!

it seems only a handful of us can actually see the point. from what i gather Joe, Nick, Dave Hooley, Hemz, scotty, myself and a few others all understand the point that if the ground at cheltenham for the festival was firm the ground would be BEEP watered for fucks sake!!!!! open your eyes the rest of you - and as far as it being good to firm 3 times look up the weather forecast that yeah and i bet it was all for rain all week.

of course we will still compete, ill enter my horses, and im sure the other 2 top trainers win as well. but its a real kick in the bollocks when u look for softer ground jumpers (the 3 ive entered in week 11 as cheltenham hopefuls, took a long time to get them!!!) and then u encounter the stupidest ground conditions the league has ever seen.

i tell u something guys, if the ground at aintree and/or punchestown festival is firm then i bet u you will say goodbye to hooley and hemz to go with cara and jay , and colin who are no more in the nhc league. Joke

I voted to change the going, because firm would be stupid.

ALL of my horses are flat horses and most of my horses like FIRM!!

I hope that if I do get a few winners (a big hope) in Cheltenham week, that they will not be thought less of because they won on firm.


Matt

I never even thought about the top trainers. Quite frankly the idea of anyone choosing certain ground to hinder other trainers is just silly and if i'm honest... sounds pretty paranoid.

I'm not bothered either way. I'd change it though if it was me, because it sounds like tempers are starting to boil and it seems like if firm goes ahead we are never going to hear the freaking end of it.

Maybe in real life Rich, we are talking about a game here, where ground is key to any horses chance's of running well.

Also like you have stated in your earlier post it's never ever been FIRM ground at Cheltenham in March, even if it was, the course would be watered.

To be honest i dont care anymore, leave it firm.

You talk about making it more realistic and true to real life, well if you keep it firm you go back on what you have said all season.

Can we enter first time out horses in G1? If not why??? Maybe we should have another poll.

Im glad now i didnt bother with a jumps game, I think common sense it to change the ground to good to firm. Its a game at the end of the day and rich is trying to make the game as realistic as possible. The ground would never in a million years be allowed to be firm on the first day of the festival, I can see why Ryan is angry because it just wouldnt happen. The course is watered well in andvance to make sure the ground is not much faster than good, usually the slow side, on the first day, it accounts for a dry week and the course could still take rain if it came during the week.

If the ground is changed to good to firm, i think everyone can agree that is the fairest thing to do. It means everybody is getting something and its the most realistic thing to do.

Dont let groundgate ruin Cheltenham for the trainers who have put hundreds of hours into games specifically for this week.

Common Sense ftw

pete i dont think the ground was chosen to hiner top trainers, the ground was chosen at random using the going generator in tom or whatever it is called.

what i dont understand is wanting to leave it firm and therefore i cnt help but think there has to be alterior motives for this.

Matt - if you get a winner then u get a winner, same for anyone else and its the best meeting to get a winner imo. went close to gettin one in my first season and hopefully can get one this season. like u i have lots of firm ground horses but due to the soft goings in nhc spent alot of effort to get horses for those conditions - u will see quite a few new entries in week 11 from my stable with softer preference.

what myself and some other nhc trainers are saying is we purposefully try to breed top class nhc horses with preference for softer going - this takes a lot of time and effort .and what is the main target for any nhc trainer, in this game or real life - to win at cheltenham, thats what its all about . and the ground would never ever be firm

I agree with both N3W_4PPROACH and Ryan.

Common sense would be to make it good/firm. But like i've said i don't care anymore. All the buzz, excitement and anticipation has gone for me.

meh good to firm/firm - both are silly!

dont worry hemz we'll bag some winners anyway

just make sure the horses u upload after cheltenham are all firm ground so that aintree and punchestown arent ruined aswell

Believe me Ryan, i will not get one winner.

Most of my horses well about 90% of them are Soft ground types.

I don't have one which is Firm or even firmish in my stable.

All this Poll shit has been a joke in my eyes.

THIS IS FUNNY TO ARGUE OVER THE GROUND I DONT REALLY CARE TO BE HONEST

Right, 2/3rds isn't enough of a majority to re-roll but it's enough for me to change it to good to firm (which, regardless of what the weather was forecast during the week has happened!).

This is simply down to the fact that basically everyone has agreed that Firm ground should not appear on the weather generator for a Spring jumps meeting.

Cheltenham is never soft as reported on Day 1 anyway. It is always at worst good to soft, and gets quicker on Wednesday onwards.