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Kingdom Or Ireland has a 136 chase rating, though has never run a chase.


Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:38 pm
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The Royal Hangman one I haven't touched as nothing in the race is rated that high anyway. Although it's winning the races, it's not whacking them but just doing enough for now, and the ratings of everything else is in an around it, so going higher than 118 seems wrong. The comparison used was a Handicapper disqualified, think a horse always likely to go up more wining a handicap like that than a GP1 that's close with a load of lower rated horses. Think once they start to meet older horses the ratings will increase more maybe in group races.

I can't find that 3 runner race sorry I may have missed, which one is it?



Don't worry about the 3 horse race. I got the weights wrong. He actually came down 2lbs for finishing 3rd.

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Race 28 | Zetland Gold Cup at Redcar | 0-90 |

This race has a Rod McClure horse that shows no form. Maybe it's trainer mistake or TOM mistake or maybe the form isn't showing but at face value the horse is ineligible.

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Please can the handicapper take a look at my flat horse Autumn Banker, he has been rated 108 for 4 continuous weeks of terrible performances?


Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:49 am
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I will take a look this week mate as I see it's already entered in a group1 so wont matter for that. The reason it isn't going down is because I tend not to look at the group race handicapping, only really there to adjust the flaws not overly handicap everything. I agree that can probably go down a few pound, but doubt it will go much while it's running in group1s though.

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Oh yeah the Race kit handicapper has issues with foreign races. I won the 0-70 Holty Stakes for 2yo's with Street Girl. Street Girl was rated 62 when she beat an abysmal field of three horses by eight lengths. Her rating after the win........................103!

I am asking for relief from the judge on this rating please. If I were handicapping I'd give her a 70 or 71 - an 8 to 9 point jump. Her previous form suggests she isn't out of class at 0-70 and has another shot at that level but this last race is impressive and she may deserve to be rated out of 0-70 range.


If Mark ever needed an example as to how the race kit (and in-game) is flawed when handicapping foreign races - this is it.

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Same situation for myself as Sirius and Steve. My 58 rated superstar First Vacation won a 0-70 handicap (in Germany I think) and has gone up from 58 to 73. Not as bad as the others but highlights the problem.

The only possible solutions I can see are to have the 'foreign' handicaps rated manually, which is potentially unfair, or scrap the foreign handicaps altogether.

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Sorry Mart, I've only just seen this post, however I think I did lower yours to 65 on Thursday morning. Problem this week was I only had time to do them Thursday morning so it looked like they were left to stand for probably too long. I can assure people I am changing the top 3 or 4 at least in all those foreign handicaps. If it's not done by Thursday morning just give us a shout here

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SiriusChill wrote:
Oh yeah the Race kit handicapper has issues with foreign races. I won the 0-70 Holty Stakes for 2yo's with Street Girl. Street Girl was rated 62 when she beat an abysmal field of three horses by eight lengths. Her rating after the win........................103!

I am asking for relief from the judge on this rating please. If I were handicapping I'd give her a 70 or 71 - an 8 to 9 point jump. Her previous form suggests she isn't out of class at 0-70 and has another shot at that level but this last race is impressive and she may deserve to be rated out of 0-70 range.


If Mark ever needed an example as to how the race kit (and in-game) is flawed when handicapping foreign races - this is it.



Think I'd already changed yours too mate, think sometimes it's not ideal if people need to enter quickly but I can't do it until Thursday morning. Looks like I'm ignoring it then, I promise I'm not

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kniesh wrote:
Sorry Mart, I've only just seen this post, however I think I did lower yours to 65 on Thursday morning. Problem this week was I only had time to do them Thursday morning so it looked like they were left to stand for probably too long. I can assure people I am changing the top 3 or 4 at least in all those foreign handicaps. If it's not done by Thursday morning just give us a shout here


Cheers, I noticed this afternoon when I did my entries.

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Hi,

Can the handicap mark of Kyle Rhea NH be looked at if possible? Was put up 32lbs for winning a hunter chase. Was beaten 7 times in a row at the start of the season with marks between 79 and 86 over very similar trips.

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tomrogers20 wrote:
Hi,

Can the handicap mark of Kyle Rhea NH be looked at if possible? Was put up 32lbs for winning a hunter chase. Was beaten 7 times in a row at the start of the season with marks between 79 and 86 over very similar trips.

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Not sure who if anyone is doing the hunt handicapping think the computer is doing it

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Some of the hunt handicapping is frustrating

Confessions Of Assassin Rated 143 1 low grade win and 1 place in 11 starts and last week gives weight away
to 2 x Grade 3 winners and gave weight to another graded placed horse all 3 horses from the biggest yards in
the hunt.

Not complaining just confused

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I have had no requests about Hunters ratings after races has you know the Race Kit has been doing it for a few weeks i have adjusted last weeks Hunters at Sligo Races 36 -39 so any trainer who have entered horse best check the ratings again.

Gray

P.S Sorry Paul hopefully6 we will get Handicappers Next Season if not we wont have another season has i am not prepared to have another season like this one it's just to much.

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