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So I have just finished trialling my 4yo hurdlers, a mix of horses from 4 games, two jump, one combined and one flat and pretty much until the last trial I had been pleased to see my jump game horses, all vastly inferior at 4 to my flat lines, still dominating and in keeping with my 8yo jump trials.

And then boom an Australian bred flat horse rocks up and consistently annihilates them all by around 6 lengths. Sort of defeats the point of playing a specialist jump game, trailing schooling etc. When flat bred monsters just rock up and beat everything. Next experiment compare the 5yo version to my 8yo jumpers where I think my lines peak to see if there is any point continuing with the jumps games.


Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:11 am
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Githyanki wrote:
So I have just finished trialling my 4yo hurdlers, a mix of horses from 4 games, two jump, one combined and one flat and pretty much until the last trial I had been pleased to see my jump game horses, all vastly inferior at 4 to my flat lines, still dominating and in keeping with my 8yo jump trials.

And then boom an Australian bred flat horse rocks up and consistently annihilates them all by around 6 lengths. Sort of defeats the point of playing a specialist jump game, trailing schooling etc. When flat bred monsters just rock up and beat everything. Next experiment compare the 5yo version to my 8yo jumpers where I think my lines peak to see if there is any point continuing with the jumps games.



Interesting results I guess we will know more at the trials

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The 5yo version does not get close to the 8yo jumpers, that at least is reassuring. I don’t have the horse at 8yo but I can still get her as she is in the breeding barn. That will be the next test.


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The 5yo version does not get close to the 8yo jumpers, that at least is reassuring. I don’t have the horse at 8yo but I can still get her as she is in the breeding barn. That will be the next test.



I think now you can only run 4yo's in juve races most the races are 5yo up now (I THINK) and some 7up

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Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:57 am
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In general I have found 2 mile jumpers aren't any good at 4 with 1 exception. I have had more success with longer distance horses over 2 miles st 4


Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:18 pm
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I had always figured on so6 that whatever it is that makes a horse a good jumper is not a tangible you can see and you only find out at trial. But once you have it you can breed it on. My provisional results seem to show the older horses are better jumpers in so7 as it should be but that magic jump quality still appears from time to time in flat bredhorses. And I checked the lineage it has about 20 G1 flat wins behind it. I shall trial the same horse at 8yo soon, not sure what she will look like then as the line fades away at 6yo. I hope to see her soundly beaten and it may only be the 4yo division that is competitive with flat lines. We shall see.

I hope we do not see a return to 5yo’s being the best jumpers in the league though.


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I got to admit I didn't want to get involved with this because it can do u head in especially if u flat horses beat u jump breed horses. I put my jumps game on my Pc and my flat game on my laptop so they will never meet.


Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:15 pm
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I have done that is my own way, in that I am not exporting my jumpers until they are 7yo, plus the 2m to 2.4m horses at 4yo and the flats I export from 2-5. So it is really only the 4yo’s where I can trial both. But I am sure there will be others from the flat game that I then export and trial when they are older will depend on how the final test goes when I get around to it, trying to get some flat horses exported right now before the cut off.


Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:53 am
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I've noticed age differences from playing my 1st game of 65 season and it been a flat only game. All my horses been exported from 5yo and 6yo for NH trailing, the 5yo have more scope within the CK trails than 6yo. Whether that's my personal breeding operation i don't know. It come to a stage i couldn't breed any stamina into my lines any more. I think that as changed now after 25 seasons. I have stayers which are must better in my trails.

I started a new combined game. From my trails with different ages from 5yo/10yo+ I've definitely seen the older horses out perform the younger horses from 5yo/6yo.

I lost a lot of my horses with not exported them to a folder from the CK. But from previously trails I've seen a different. I think Leon as the most input with this, his game his more advanced than most in terms of seasons been played and the 400 horses he breeds each season. How the hell do you do that baffles me. My flat game is heading to 200 and I cannot cope. Reason been I'm getting mares in the auctions which are so tempting i have to buy them to create new blood lines and it's working to good effect.


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200-400 horses a season, that is bloody crazy and mad :lol: I keep my barn between 50-60 mares and when it starts getting into the 60's then it's time to cull them. I'm probably averaging a season a week on my jumps and flat but it would be a season a month with all those horses, I wouldn't know where to start and where to enter them all.


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I have only played 34 seasosn total in a combined game and I auto ran 5 of those so really only 29.

The 400 to 500 horses I breed are the 130 to 150 I breed for myself and the other 250 to 300 are with the ai so I dont have to manage those, but they have been good to me. Doing well in game and arriving in the breeding barn with my lines.


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I've just started my 28 season over jumps, the first 10 seasons it probably took me about 6 hours of game play to do a season but I must be up to 9 hours by now and that's why I cull 7 or 8 mares every season out of my barn. I think the jumps game is now perfect as a game because u get to race them and have a proper amount of time at stud while still racing them.


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My U.K. jumps game is on season 24 my Irish game is 19. Both have around 50 breeding mares in the barn, which i cull each year, I take about 20-30 horses through to racing each season the rest I auction or stud, and I am doing 4 seasons of breeding per barn before cutting off and taking these too export, though I race them hard through the ages rather than just speed through and export as it seem to effect the way they trial. Once trialed the horses 80-120 odd do a mass refresh of the barn based on trial results. I also like to see the odd horse I auction bred on in game, sold a few monster so far so I clearly don’t know what I am looking at yet.

I also like that you now have to manage the jumps game properly and make a slow progression through juvenile, novice and onto the the main races when they are 6/7, too keep the results ticking over, I have yet to take any G1 with a horse less than 6, most at 7/8. Gelding is a small pain now without a tff, but I transfer the export files out and restore my game at a pre geld point to overcome this. I expect I shall be tinkering with an effective league breeding approach for a while yet. The in and out of the barn maybe a better method to avoid the faff but I like gelding my jumpers.


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Don't geld mine, as they have to run over fences otherwise they trial terribly. So take mine in an out of the breeding barn. Mares I retire a bit later at 7, which seems to be the best age for all distances up to 3m3 ( finding little difference between 7 and 8 so going with 7 ). They have to go the novice route as well else they run terribly in game. This has all really improved gameplay so really enjoying the game now.


I think the days of taking horses from your flat lines are over. My flat lines are only producing decent jumpers if one of the breeding pair performs well over jumps.


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