View unanswered posts | View active topics It is currently Sat May 08, 2021 8:41 am



Reply to topic  [ 33 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
 Schedule issues to sort out next season 
Author Message
Group 1 winner

Joined: Wed May 14, 2008 2:50 pm
Posts: 2364
Post Schedule issues to sort out next season
I have made this thread so people can post constructive suggestions for improvements to the schedule for next season.

It has been noted at the lack of races for horses rated over 100 from week 1 in weeks 2, 3 or 4 over certain distances ( 6f and 2yo ). If you struggling to find entries for your horses can you post below so improvements can be made next season thanks.

The same applies to lower rated horses. If you struggling for entries or races are very oversubscribed post below

Also the lack of novice races in NH has been noted


Post for both NH and Flat

I would be very happy to get comments from smaller trainers as I don't have many lower rated horses so it's very difficult to see any problems myself


Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:02 am
Profile
Group 1 winner

Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:12 pm
Posts: 2173
Location: Newcastle England
Post Re: Schedule issues to sort out next season
Hey Leon

Great idea to gather thoughts on this through the season, will really help with continuous improvement of the schedule year on year.

For me, I noticed a lack of staying hurdles for novices on the NH, thankfully we were able to make one a novice in week 2 but there's still a bit of imbalance there; 4 or 5 to 1 ratio of staying open hurdles to novice ones.

On flat, I definitely think that the handicapping is perhaps out of kilter with the schedule. A lot of horses placing 7/8th in maidens for me are rated 100 and so are already stuck between being unable to enter handicaps and being some way off group level - and entering them in group level makes it even harder to get into a handicap.

The two horse per race entry does help somewhat though ;)

_________________
HURRICANE FLY!!!!!!!GREATEST OF ALL TIME


Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:33 am
Profile
Handicapper

Joined: Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:35 pm
Posts: 120
Post Re: Schedule issues to sort out next season
Week 3 observations:

Roaring Hawk - 10f - 2yo - Won her last race, so can't enter the maiden race. Therefore non runner this week

Dazzy Bally and Happy Hawk - 14f - 3yo's - No races for these at 13-15f, so trying my luck in the 16 furlong handicap. Doubtful if they will stay.

Sublime Choker - 8f - 2yo - No mile races, so trying his luck at 7f

Driving Viper - 5f - 2yo - Has just scraped an entry, will be top weight in the 0-100 handicap, nowhere else to go

There also seems to be a shortage of 12f races that a 3yo non maiden can enter.


Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:38 pm
Profile
Group 1 winner
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:55 pm
Posts: 1355
Location: New Zealand
Post Re: Schedule issues to sort out next season
Some 7f+ races for 2yo. After week1 if you win a maiden there isn't anything till week 6.

Maybe a listed and a G3 would be nice. But I know these types of races don't really come into effect till mid late season.


Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:43 pm
Profile
Group 1 winner
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:03 am
Posts: 4102
Location: Wales
Post Re: Schedule issues to sort out next season
I'd like to see a graded race over 4 miles, its the only distance over jumps or on the flat that doesn't have a big race to aim for.


Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:47 am
Profile
Handicapper

Joined: Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:35 pm
Posts: 120
Post Re: Schedule issues to sort out next season
Week 4:

Roaring Hawk - 10f - 2yo - No available races so is a non runner again this week


Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:39 am
Profile
Group 1 winner

Joined: Wed May 14, 2008 2:50 pm
Posts: 2364
Post Re: Schedule issues to sort out next season
Dhughes wrote:
Week 4:

Roaring Hawk - 10f - 2yo - No available races so is a non runner again this week


You probably want to look at uploading a 10f 2yo in the upload window. Probably going to remove all 10f and 9f 2yo races before the upload window to reflect reality and replace them with shorter 2yo races as they getting oversubscribed. Ther aren't races that far for 2yos early in the season. The 10f 2yos should be horses who come in at the upload window


Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:02 am
Profile
Group 1 winner

Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:00 am
Posts: 1324
Post Re: Schedule issues to sort out next season
week 4 R5 and R12 very similar 5f 3yo up one 70 rated one 90 rated is there a need for both?


Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:16 pm
Profile
Group 1 winner

Joined: Wed May 14, 2008 2:50 pm
Posts: 2364
Post Re: Schedule issues to sort out next season
jalupen wrote:
week 4 R5 and R12 very similar 5f 3yo up one 70 rated one 90 rated is there a need for both?



Thanks. Maybe not. Could possibly replace with another distance handicap next season


Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:46 pm
Profile
Group 1 winner

Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:12 pm
Posts: 2173
Location: Newcastle England
Post Re: Schedule issues to sort out next season
Week 4 Nh R18 and 33 both similar - we could do with a longer hurdle that is open to higher rated or just a maiden race open for all maidens.

_________________
HURRICANE FLY!!!!!!!GREATEST OF ALL TIME


Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:33 am
Profile
Group 1 winner

Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:16 pm
Posts: 2114
Post Re: Schedule issues to sort out next season
More love for graded 3.4m - 4m chasers, there is nothing much from week 4 to week 10 for any that have a rating of 140+ ish. Both my national horses now have to wait until chelts.


Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:02 pm
Profile
Handicapper

Joined: Fri May 17, 2019 2:45 am
Posts: 103
Post Re: Schedule issues to sort out next season
Githyanki wrote:
Move love for graded 4m chasers, there is nothing from week 4 to week 10 for any that have a rating of 140 ish. Both my national horses now have to wait until chelts.


Agree with this. My best long distance won a maiden in week 1. I had to put her in a race that were too short for her in week 2 just so she could get some runs before Grand National. She did get a run in week 3 that was closer to her best distance.


Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:14 pm
Profile
Selling plater

Joined: Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:54 pm
Posts: 25
Post Re: Schedule issues to sort out next season
This could be temporarily fixed by increasing the max rating on some of the staying races. For eg, I have a horse who returned from last season rated 160 having won at 4m 1f and 4m 2f and 3rd in the national. She has been eligible to run in 1 race this season. The only staying handicap open to 160 rated horses. She's rated 149 now after some runs over too short but still the next race she is eligible for is the 36f G1 in week 10.

Between now and then we have:

Week 6
30f 0-100
33f 0-130

Week 7
29f 0-120
32f 0-130
30f 0-130

Week 8
32f 0-140
32f 0-100

Week 9
36f 0-140

There are generally cut offs at 130 & 140. Surely these could be 150 or 160 max rating, especially as some are qualifiers.


Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:00 pm
Profile
Group 1 winner

Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:16 pm
Posts: 2114
Post Re: Schedule issues to sort out next season
Agree.


Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:55 pm
Profile
Group 1 winner

Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:12 pm
Posts: 2173
Location: Newcastle England
Post Re: Schedule issues to sort out next season
Why is the Jersey stakes a 0-110 handicap at Royal Ascot next week? Should be a Group 3 right?

_________________
HURRICANE FLY!!!!!!!GREATEST OF ALL TIME


Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:27 pm
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic   [ 33 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 32 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group.
Designed by STSoftware for PTF.