I've always thought the jumps breeding is massively different to flat, on the flat u got three things to look for but over jumps u have the jumping bars and other things in play. If i was breeding for next year i would be using my jumpers as a base and improving them, they have already showed they are good in game. But i suppose if u want to go from a jumps only game to a combined game then this is the time.

Think I disagree here, although we can see the bars now, there's still definitely hidden stats no one will ever see. Like the transfer to CK. You can have all the good bars you like an still be very poor in the CK. Which means there's other traits we're not seeing. The TFF meant you could just keep going back an play an play until 2 horses gave you the best each one had to offer on everything. Now you can't. For me, I won't be going totally off bars here, got a feeling if you try to just breed from bars you're going to end up losing all your good lines watering them down, just because there's no longer a safety net of the TFF. Yoy'd still need to get very lucky to improve all the stats in time for a 'sudden' upturn in your barn. It's definitely all about doing it slowly here, progressing the bars gradually, while still concentrating on the best CK horses

Most of what I am doing at the minute is trying to breed groups of bars together, like extra speed rating, with cruising burst, along with the red speed bar being 100. I'm hoping these 2 going together will be improving already decent lines. The again with the other bars lower down, distance, going, confidence, finish app. I count these as secondary stats, but just for labels sake. I have different lines with these that are good in CK an league.

Agree with Vinny, without the tff files things will pan out a lot differently than s06

I won't be changing much myself. The ck has always my deciding factor. It does help to see some of the jumping bars. And low confidence horses tend to do very poorly in the league so that is nice to know.

However won't be starting again or anything, and will still go on ck performance when deciding breeding.

Advantage for me will be on the newer games, since I have found the best horses are available in game early on. At 80 odd seasons in I don’t think they appear anymore so I am not sure I can improve them visibly anyway.

But as I said way to early to tell.

Any word on the patch as I need to find network signal via a hotspot to download it, least for the next month or so.

The latest patch fixes the visible stats bug. There will probably be something that stops league saves working with older builds. But waiting for Mark on that

I've thought about this, in fact I have started one that I haven't really played yet. But given I only started again completely from scratch not long ago, it just seems like a lot of work. Definitely has the benefits of seeing the early horse stats though, given those really good game stallions all start disappearing later on

I'd been interested to see how the legends horses with their fantastic bars race in the CK/RK.

You would imagine they have the X factor and should win all, or will the "export" button feck them over like everyone's top game horses

Still painting over the cracks, perhaps we could start a go-fund me page to pay Mark to fix the actual game ?

The patch fixes a lot. Race are much better. No horses going crazy wide for no reasonanymore. Also 4 and 5yos ahve been improved so that they are level with the older horses, in fact they may even be better

OK

Will single schedules still be at a disadvantage ? (nothing improv. past 8 in the NH etc.)

No single schedules should be at a level playing field now. NH was fine in any case, as evident by me playing combined and Josh playing NH only. It was just the flat that had an issue where for some reason 4 and 5yos were not progressing as expected. You may not see full potential for flat 4 and 5yos in game but their ck performance has been improved so full potential is not needed

I think on reflection restoration of the bars was not a good idea.

Why?

I should qualify it is on the NH where this is an issue for me, the flat sort of goes as expected. So for those of you who play the NH as an afterthought, carry on regardless.

Anyway I had a slow couple of days at work so I catalogued all the horses I had in game or breeding that I also had trial results for and referenced the score on the bars back to the results at trial trying to find some patterns. Anyway one massive spreadsheet later. The flat made sense. The three main bars and then the usual ancillary bars stacked up to trial results for the most part, with the usual amount of unexplained failures.

But on the NH it’s just a muddle, there are a few things that repeat over all the horses but nothing that seems to stand out. So instead of making the process easier I think it will actually make it harder, and it is interesting as my NH stars are so average looking on paper. Will know in a few weeks after I trial some of the recently breed improved bar experiments.

Have a look at this monster, probably the best computer horse i've ever seen. He's got 4 distance records in game.





I think Josh is right when he says the best horses start the game.