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 Meet The Team - Flat 
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Flat Team

Last season there was absolutely no preparation for the flat, the entire team were either returning horses, those previously passed over and a single horse from a newly created US flat game that I breed before last season finished, it came 2nd and 3rd in two G1’s. Unsurprisingly it was my worst flat season to date with only 21 wins and a single G1. What’s perhaps more surprising, given I far prefer the NH is that in preparation for this season, and likely for the first time ever, I have done more work on my flat team than I have on the NH, probably around 30 more seasons and it is all to do with the new US Flat game.

Long have a bemoaned the fact that the game you play and the breeding stock is largely set, compounded by good in game not equalling good at trial, meaning the game also weeds out potential improvements as you go, at sixty seasons my Australian flat game felt like a turkey that simply could not be improved (something the revealing of the bars later confirmed). But I am stubborn, and it took 90 seasons before I started to dabble with some new flat games, by season 96 my Australian flat game was deleted.

After a mere 10 seasons in my newly created US game, I had the same sort of potential, and a league standard horse who won a G2 and came second and third in 2 G1’s, albeit all on dirt. But the game got really interesting at around 20 seasons when I found an 18yo G1 winning mare at Auction ‘Rubies From Burma’ who had the highest cruising burst I have ever seen in SO7. One season later I had it in a colt with no realised potential but high unrealised ‘Breeding Monster’, and he in turn breed a copy of himself ‘Breeding Monsters Twin’ who then went on to breed ‘The Beast’ and everything started from there. Before long I started to sprinkle it into all lines and distances. Now at season 41 I have also added speed via another game horse ‘Arkadian Federal’ leading to the ‘Flash’ line and I am playing the game more simply as it is interesting again as season after season, I am making break throughs or stumbling on something new.

But let’s not get carried away, yes, they are better than my Aussie horses by some margin and at every distance from 5f to 1.4m (and I have nearly cracked a 2m line now too) but they still favour dirt for the most part, plenty of them still have mental issues and in league terms they remain unproven, indeed I cannot yet determine where they peak with my entry bias, and as with the Australian game before it, I am fighting a battle to maintain the potential. But for the first time in a long time, I have actually enjoyed playing the base game again, though only for what it might offer in the league, of course.

And the morale of this story, don’t be stubborn. Just start something new and don’t keep flogging the dead horses, especially since you can now see what you’re working with. Will be starting a new NH game soon I think now I can actually see what I am doing.

NB – For simplification purposes I tend to think of my lines as linking to one horse ‘The Beast’ the ‘Flash’ etc in reality there are multiple Flash or Beast type horses, many of which are just breeding studs (there have been at least 5 cruise breeding beasts for example) and often those specific horses are not directly in the breed but the overall origin tends to be loosely the same and also what it delivers to the breed.

And please forgive the typos and bad grammer.

2YO’s

As my American horses have gradually taken over my trial sheets the two-year-olds have been the slowest to progress, in general my US lines are maturing at 3yo and 4yo, though I will not really know how they stand up until they have some league races. Most of the best 2yo’s are also in the league team when they are older so this is not an area where I have especially high hopes.

Man About Town

Sire Coach And Four
Dam Mind Your Money

Decent colt and was one of my early break through horses, though he is now well down the pecking order and only still relevant as a 2yo. Breeding on the sire side is a game bred and the dam is also only one generation removed from another game breed ‘Skint’ who was frequently responsible for high potential in my line. 5f Handicapper likely a 0-100.

Is It A Fair Deal

Sire Is It Coz Im Black
Dam Lyra Purity

Very solid filly only a little off my top rated 2yo sprinters who are largely all in the team when they are older. The sire side of the breed the ‘Is It’ line can be traced back to ‘Is That Your Final Answer’ who was a league G2 winner and came second in the Preakness. The dam is one generation removed from ‘Man About Town’ and my early sprint break throughs. Good on dirt, expected Handicapper 0-110 over 6f.

Be Or Not To Be

Sire Be A Man About It
Dam Creeking Autumn

Weaker of my two 6f horses and by some margin. Breeding on the sire side is two generations removed again from ‘Man About Town’ and the Dam is three generations removed from last years league horse ‘Is That Your Final Answer’. Handicapper 0-90+.

Quicksand

Sire Sandy Shores
Dam Uber Breeder

First of my genuine 2yo horses, it’s the only age at which he showed anything and, in this respect, he is also by far the best 7f I have. His breeding is also a lot more recent and leverages some of my cruise and speed lines. His sire is an early example of the combination of my speed line now called ‘Flash’ but hailing from a game horse and the cruise line which from ‘The Beast’ line, this he did not inherit the best of either. The Dam a breed mare offered potential from ‘Skint’ and Cruise again from ‘The Beast’ line. Could be a group challenger and loves the Dirt.

Blitzer

Sire Flash
Dam I See You Falling

Another genuine 2yo horse, who also fell out of contention as a 3yo but remains my star 1m colt. Breeding is fairly recent and enjoys the best components I have available to me right now. The Sire ‘Flash’ is two generations removed from a 99% speed game bred and is the father of my speed breeding lines, and the Dam is one generation removed from ‘The Beast’ cruise line and two generations removed from the ‘Is It’ potential line and go back far enough and you find ‘Is That Your Final Answer’. Group challenger, monster on Dirt.

Sing The Blues

Sire Mustajed Rime
Dam Radiance Gesture

One of the few remaining Australian horses in my team, longer distances have been the hardest to crack so far in the US and it is still work in progress, for 2yo’s that includes 1.2m horses. But that’s not to say he’s a donkey and his extended lineage has genuine league pedigree. The sire is a game horse, but one produced from one of my own colts ‘The Living Legend’ who won the G1 Prix Du Jockey Club in season 11. And the dam, a breeding mare, is one generation removed from ‘The Drunken Duck’ who won the G1 Kentucky Derby also in season 11. Has been on the trial sheets for a while now entirely on merit. Group Challenger.

3YO’s

Since many of my horses and lines are new to the league it is hard to genuinely asses where they are against everyone else at each age. I have gambled on it being 3yo and so all my best horses have been rolled out in this age group, this is in part because I can potentially use the best of them again next season but also because it plays well into major dirt races like the Kentucky Derby, the Preakness and The Belmont and there is no doubt I have a lot of dirt horses even if most are now also comfortable on turf.

Prince Of Darkness

Sire Flash Harry
Dam Be The Best You Can Be

Has been a long time since I had genuine 5f sprinters of any ability, normally I have 6f horses running shorter. This recently bred colt is the pinnacle of my horses at this distance and I have also converted his line from dirt to turf preferences. His sire who is in the team as a 4yo is from the ’Flash’ speed line and has this on both sides. The dam sprinkles in Cruise from ‘The Beast’ line mixed with my early top sprinter ‘Man About Town’. Little bit of an unknown but I hope we can challenge at group level.

Coming Of The Storm

Sire Sandy Shores
Dam Storm Front

From my most recent breeding generation but something of a disappointment in so far as he is more like his sire than his dam, not to say either side of the breed is bad but the dam ‘Storm Front’ is my current wonder horse. Sire ‘Sandy Shores’ draws both speed and cruise from the ‘Flash’ and ‘The Beast’ lines, whereas Dam ‘Storm Front’ is out of an all-new breeding line that combines both my maximum cruise and speed in one place, coupled with potential from game bred ‘Skint’ line. Good but not the horse I had hoped he would be at trial. 6f-1m range not sure what will be his best. May challenge at group class.

Storm Front

Sire Breeding Beast
Dam Googlette Ounauarra

The undisputed queen of my current trial crop, dominates trials on both turf and dirt from 2yo to 4yo and from 6f to 1m. Really, I don’t know how good she is nor what she is best at. The sire was only bred two seasons ago, and is essentially a mix of the speed and cruise lines ‘Flash’ and ‘The Beast’ and has the maximum from both, though technically neither horse is directly involved instead it’s all breeding studs and mares from the original source game horses. The Dam is also all breeding stock that goes back to a game bred called ‘Skint’ who is basically started my second potential line. Shows you don’t need trial form to create good trial horses. Luck and time anyone……. Group class.

Starman

Sire Sandy Shores
Dam Breeding Star Potential

He is no ‘Storm Front’ by over one mile he is not far away, sired again by ‘Sandy Shores whose breeding is a combination of speed and cruise lines already mentioned frequently. The Dam is a breeding mare who from ‘The Beast’ cruise line on one side with the other being a game breed with extremely high potential at a young age. Sadly, I never quite captured it but the outcome was still positive. Turf horse too which is positive. Low group class.

Night On The Town

Sire One Step Beyond
Dam Night Of The Flash

Decent filly over 1m and a turf breed which is positive, long way behind Storm Front though on overall form. Sire is a 7f horse who peaked as a 2yo though was originally on the trial lists when older too, his breeding is older and is a combination of both my potential lines ‘Skint’ and ‘Is It’ with a sprinkling of ‘The Beast’ in the last generation. Dam is the usual mix of speed and cruise from ‘The Beast’ line and the ‘Flash’ line who developed later and is in the team as a 4yo. Lower Group class.

One Time More

Sire One Step Beyond
Dam Breed Has Speed

Bred to be a miler but proved to be a little longer staying and took top trial honours away from ‘The Beast’ at 1.2m, the first horse to do so, least on turf. His sire who is written up above delivered the cruise and potential from the usual lines. The dam is a breeding horse and herself the standard mix of the ‘Flash’ line and ‘The Beast’ line. Group class and turf preference will look to the Prix Du Jockey.

The Beast

Sire The Breeding Monsters Twin
Dam Phardante Lilly

For a long time, the undisputed king of my trials, and to start with from 1m to 1.4m when he was only up against the Aussie horses. Now he only rules the roost over 1.2m and really only on dirt on which he is still king. He is import to my game since he was the first of my cruise horses to fill out on realised potential thus the first to go into trial and confirm the line was not a trial dud. He has mostly been breeding longer distance lines. Sired by ‘The Breeding Monsters Twin’ the second of my cruise breeding horses linked to the source ‘Rubies from Burma’ and the ‘Skint’ potential line. The dam is basically one of my earliest breeding horses coming from my original game bred who delivered potential to a line that eventually evolved into the ‘Is It’ line. On dirt he is a Group horse I am sure and will be aimed at the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness.

Chaos

Sire The Beast
Dam Building The Pressure

The only filly who made the grade at 1.2m on my 3yo trials and she is a fair way behind the boys. Sired by ‘The Beast’ who is detailed directly above. Her Dam ‘Building The Pressure’ was one of my first major break through horses over 1m and one both sides of her extended lineage she has my two potential breeding lines, ‘Skint’ and ‘Is It’ including G2 winning ‘Is That Your Final Answer’. Probably a handicapper may feature in the odd group race, better on Dirt too.

Beyond The Grave

Sire The Beast
Dam Breeding Distance

As the distances grow longer then the gulf between my old Australian lines and new US lines grows smaller, but then it was my 1.4m Australian horses who accounted for my only G1 last season, still at this point my confidence starts to drop. This colt is the pick of the litter and is a turf breed so will be my Derby candidate. Sire needs no real introduction at this point and this is an example of ‘The Beast’ breeding up. The Dam is a pure breeding horse who has the overall ‘The Beast’ line on both sides of the extended lineage sprinkled with potential from the ‘Skint’ line. May sneak group class.

Land Of Promise

Sire Breeding Monsterland
Dam Breed Average

The first of my high quality 1.4m trials horses and was dominant in early trials, more recently she has fallen down the order but remains the undisputed queen of the dirt. I have better turf fillies but this season I am going after The Belmont rather than The Oaks. Sire is one of ‘The Beast’ line breeders though only remained in my barn for a short period and this was his only horse of note, the Dam is only one generation removed from ‘The Beast’ himself and the extended lineage is from the ‘Skint’ potential line. She is all about the dirt races, group class in those.

Swoop

Sire The Drunken Legend
Dam Lulua Fairy

Once you get to about 1.6m my US horses fall away so this filly is one of my Aussie horses, I have only recently bred a decent US trials horse at 1.6 and 2m and he does not challenge the older Australian lines directly. The future of the distance I gambled on when the Australian game was deleted. But this lass even then was a bit special and was a long way ahead of anything else I had bred over this distance. Her sire was a season 12 G1 winning league horse who won both the Prix Du Jockey club and the Irish Champion Stakes a pedigree that speaks for itself. Her Dam in the extended lineage features three more G1 winning league horses ‘The Drunken Duck’ and ‘The Living Legend’ included but more recently a range of distance that goes all the way back to season 10 St Leger winner the ‘Hooded Claw’. Group class, I think.

4YO’s

This is probably where most of my lines reach their peak, so my gamble on a 3yo bias may prove mistaken, it is certainly at 4yo that those who do fill out potential to 100% fill out. But I have also got a few of my best horses in at this age too. And one or two who did nothing until they reached 4yo and hold form into their 5yo season. Guess we shall find out soon enough.

Flash Harry

Sire Flash
Dam Breeding Uber Speed Flawed

His son Prince of Darkness beats him comfortably as a 4yo, but he is a long way better than everything else and remains with his son one of the current breeders of the ‘Flash’ line. Was somewhat temperamental and the exported version was gelded to resolve is also a turf horse which is a bonus for the league. His sire the flash has speed one generation from the original game source and cruise from the original ‘Breeding Monster’. The Dam has similar combinations but also includes the potential line ‘Skint’ and my original sprint line including 2yo league horse ‘Man About Town. Handicapper probably 0-110.

Is It Coz Im Here

Sire Is It Coz Im Black
Dam Breeding Uber Speed Flawed

She’s a solid sort over 5f but at 6f she comes into her own and arguably has this slot entirely on trial merit. And she is another for whom turf not dirt is her preference. Sire is one of many successful trial horses as part of the long ‘Is It’ line that incrementally keeps improving and 5 generations back ‘Is That Your Final Answer’ can be found. Dam is the usual mix of my speed and cruise lines and is detailed above. Group class, I think.

Night Of The Flash

Sire Flash
Dam Breed Great

Did not really peak until she was a 4yo and at this age she is very good indeed, though is a really specialist on the dirt. Sire ‘Flash’ at this stage has already been introduced and was the original horse that has filled out potential for my speed line. The dam is a breeding mare from the same ‘Is It’ potential line, but ‘The Beast’ is only one generation removed and added in the cruise. Group class on dirt handicapper on the turf.

Alpha Squad

Sire Rouge Trooper
Dam Coach And Horses

Another remnant from my Australian game but another who has stood well ahead of his class for some time. His sire was part of my final roll of the dice desperate attempts to improve my potential in this game via a new game bred, but it only half succeeded, further back though there is league class with G1 winners ‘The Drunken Duck’ and ‘The Living Legend’. The Dam has a long lineage of my best 1.2m horses which has three G1 winning league horses. ‘The Drunken Duck’ ‘The Living Legend’ and ‘The Drunken Legend’. Both a dirt and turf horse, only team 3yo ‘One Time More’ has his measure at trial. Possible group class.

Spiderman

Sire The Beast
Dam Hollybell Ness

Another who only reached his best as a 4yo, but at this age 3yo team members ‘Land of Promise’ and ‘Beyond The Grave’ have his measure comfortably. Sired by ‘The Beast’ a line that really does not need any further detail. The Dam was a stock breeding mare who must been in her twenties when he was breed as her lineage is only two generations removed from the original cruise horse of the beast line ‘Rubies From Burma’. Handicapper 0-100.

Pick And Mix

Sire The Beast
Dam Uber Two M Breeder

The first of my US horses to really break out as a 2m horse, shame she is a filly. Was less impressive in her second trial when matched against the last few horses I bred in my Australian game, but when she gets it right, she is a handful. Sire is ‘The Beast’ again and this is where he has really helped my lines in having a knack for breeding beyond his distance. The Dam is a breeding mare who is directly from two different non-US long distance game breeds. May be group class.

Go Forth My Son

Sire Hoody
Dam Go Long

Recently bred from my Australian game, 3 seasons before it was deleted. And set a new standard for my long-distance horses, so much so in those last three season he was the only horse I bred in an effort to stock up on 2m horses in case I never crack the distance in the US. Sire is really a 1.4m to 1.6m line that goes all the way to St Leger winner the ‘Hooded Claw’. The Dam is a traditional staying line with a sprinkle of league horses like ‘The Drunken Duck’ and last years ‘Validation’ who has three handicap wins in a 2-season career. Handicapper may feature in some group races.

Go Time

Sire Go Forth My Son
Dam Bells For The Donna

The best of about 5 horses bred in my last few seasons in my Australian game. And the pick of my 2m to 2.4m horses by some margin. Sired by league team member ‘Go Forth My Son’ detailed above. The Dam ‘Bells For The Donna’ as the name suggest can trace her lineage back to my league legend ‘Belladona’ who won 4x G1’s over 2 seasons including The Oaks and the Dubai Shema Classic. But you’re going back a lot of generations until you find her, at least 10 maybe more. But is seems like a fitting way to bow out my Australian team. May sneak into group class.


Sun Oct 23, 2022 2:55 am
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Thats the one major flaw in this game and that is if u dont find them ( high bar horses) within 20 seasons then they disappear forever . Sounds like u might be a flat trainer now Josh :D I just started a new game and i found a horse that has about 15% more cruise that my other games, it might be a long term game later on.


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I just avoided disaster. I checked my horses in the CK and they were all gone. Luckily the bak file was able to save my bacon.

Does anyone know what might trigger your export file to being totally wiped? I did nothing different and for some reason my exports just disappeared. I believe this has happened to others before.

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Well i've got 14 in my team for now, was hoping for more but if u didn't look decent in my trials then i didn't put them in.

My Queen of my team Mystic Goddess is coming back for a second season , i just looked at my other horses and out of 13 her bloodline was in 9 . Her 5 furlong blood is even in my 2m4 horse Total Delight :lol: Actually, she is in all my horses above 1m4 furlongs. . I think she is the best Broodmare i've ever had. She is in a league of her own.


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Sounds like u might be a flat trainer now Josh :D


Lets not get carried away.

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Does anyone know what might trigger your export file to being totally wiped?


Sometimes its random, but starting lots of new games, or the process of repeatedly opening and closing the game are triggers I have observed, along with game crashes.

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SiriusChill wrote:
I just avoided disaster. I checked my horses in the CK and they were all gone. Luckily the bak file was able to save my bacon.

Does anyone know what might trigger your export file to being totally wiped? I did nothing different and for some reason my exports just disappeared. I believe this has happened to others before.



I find it happens most like when Josh says, going in an out of too many games. A large amount of times for me it is while saving a game which is annoying. I have to back up my games so often now. I also think it's linked to the amount of horses in your CK. I never trial 2yos, they just amass in the correct folders in the CK over the seasons, and when I get bored I work through their trials. Recently I had got to 1900 horses in my CK, mostly down to 2yo's, and I noticed the amount of these crashes went up 10 fold. I've worked it down to 1200 so far an not had one in a while. It will likely get to about 6-700 and it will go back to hardly ever happening hopefully.

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