Season 16 Trainers Post Race Discussion and Thoughts
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kniesh
Group 2 winner
Joined: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:33 pm Posts: 867 Location: Nantwich
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Re: Season 16 Trainers Post Race Discussion and Thoughts
ghosty wrote: Githyanki wrote: :D Knew I could rely on you for a little banter Mr Morgan, though I hardly think your comparison is fair, if you had taken this more seriously over the last few years we’d all have a lot less wins. U and Leon should take it as a compliment, to do both Flat and Jumps and have so good a jumps team is outstanding. Having a full jumps teams takes time and effort and then to have a flat team is as well is mad. Even when I had my main games I had to drop somethings like the 2yos and hurdlers, to do both well it's takes a herculean effort. Hats of to anyone who does it. BTW I hope we get another season , I've been to the keeneland sales and ready to dust down my flat breeding barn. It's been given a clean a fresh coat of paint and away we go Winning is not always first past the post. I'm with you here, only been doing both for a few months an it's already destroyed my flat team It's a mammoth effort by anyone succeeding at it I really want another season now. I've just started using the samer 'feed' Mr Mullins uses on his horses on the NH. I can see big improvements next season
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Mon Jun 03, 2024 9:48 am |
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Githyanki
Group 1 winner
Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:16 pm Posts: 2418
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Re: Season 16 Trainers Post Race Discussion and Thoughts
Quote: What a start to the week My boy did well as proud as any win over jumps. Well his mum and dad also ran today. So he could be rated nearly 160 after today and his mum could be rated 100 Done me with room to spare, but will see you again on softer ground. And yes if you mean one side of a breed is a trial god and the other a trial bust can you get a trial god. Of course I get this all the time, I just don’t enter the dud in the league. I frequently bred what I would call a ‘copy’ same stats same colour and run style same sort of trial talent etc as one side of the pairing.
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Mon Jun 03, 2024 12:02 pm |
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Githyanki
Group 1 winner
Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:16 pm Posts: 2418
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Re: Season 16 Trainers Post Race Discussion and Thoughts
Quote: I'm with you here, only been doing both for a few months an it's already destroyed my flat team It's a mammoth effort by anyone succeeding at it I think this is where having a big breeding barn helps me, I am on about 400 NH mares presently and likely 250-300 each flat game, so I can do less seasons and have a higher hit rate of a successful pairing, and I can then be even more selective with the horses I keep. And I have taken the view more recently not to cull them, just let aging and death net off against new ‘breed’ additions. It does grow incrementally though especially when I clear down my stables after trial, but I am a long way away from troubling the game stable limit of 512. Race management becomes more painful and I do tend to have 10-15 runners in every big race, but the game does not matter. Quote: I really want another season now. I've just started using the samer 'feed' Mr Mullins uses on his horses on the NH. I can see big improvements next season What feed? Give them the best
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Mon Jun 03, 2024 12:13 pm |
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ghosty
Group 2 winner
Joined: Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:59 pm Posts: 747
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Re: Season 16 Trainers Post Race Discussion and Thoughts
Githyanki wrote: Quote: What a start to the week My boy did well as proud as any win over jumps. Well his mum and dad also ran today. So he could be rated nearly 160 after today and his mum could be rated 100 Done me with room to spare, but will see you again on softer ground. And yes if you mean one side of a breed is a trial god and the other a trial bust can you get a trial god. Of course I get this all the time, I just don’t enter the dud in the league. I frequently bred what I would call a ‘copy’ same stats same colour and run style same sort of trial talent etc as one side of the pairing. I think my head would spin with those type of numbers, the most I've had is 120ish and my head was going so I culled to 100. My jumps games has around 50 to 80 and I trial after every 6 years. That way it stops me from having massive trials.
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Mon Jun 03, 2024 12:25 pm |
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ghosty
Group 2 winner
Joined: Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:59 pm Posts: 747
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Re: Season 16 Trainers Post Race Discussion and Thoughts
Githyanki wrote: Quote: What a start to the week My boy did well as proud as any win over jumps. Well his mum and dad also ran today. So he could be rated nearly 160 after today and his mum could be rated 100 Done me with room to spare, but will see you again on softer ground. And yes if you mean one side of a breed is a trial god and the other a trial bust can you get a trial god. Of course I get this all the time, I just don’t enter the dud in the league. I frequently bred what I would call a ‘copy’ same stats same colour and run style same sort of trial talent etc as one side of the pairing. My good ground horses will really struggle on soft because I've struggled to get the firm out of them, I think my best achievement with my jumps game is for the first time ever in any game I've been able to keep the battling qualities in them ( around25%) never been able to do that before. Well proud of that.
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Mon Jun 03, 2024 12:31 pm |
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kniesh
Group 2 winner
Joined: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:33 pm Posts: 867 Location: Nantwich
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Re: Season 16 Trainers Post Race Discussion and Thoughts
Much better day1 this week than the whole of last week. 3 winners on the jumps an a very tight 2nd, and 4 winners on the flat, with a very tight 2nd also. I may have spoken a little soon about my flat team going too far backwards
Flat Yuma Schoolboy looks to have set his stall out for the Guineas now with 2 from 2 so far, in very different fashions. Bit gutted I left him out of last seasons league now. League racing seems to suit
Yonkers Stargazer gets his name back into the Gold Cup mix with a nice win. However, he looked like he faded over 2m4 the first week an won over 2m2 here. Hoping it was just a bad run first week. Wouldn't think he could challenge Born trippy tbh
Fukang Wonderous wins the Brocklesby for me. that's 2 from 2 now if you count the trial. Again good signs that they were very different races. A small field here an a massive field in the trial. I think he'll definitely prefer the bigger fields with pace though
Laguna Beach Dust also putting her name forward for the Guineas with a nice win in the Nell Gwynn. She'll need to settle early on in the Guineas to have a chance, kind of stole this one over a furlong shorter. Not sure I'd back her
Jumps - Got a little bit more suited ground for my lot this week an it showed
Little Rock Wingman didn't disgrace himself week 1 when his last 2 fences cost him the race from the front. Much improved this week ove rthe last 2, and held on well. I fancied my 2m Chasers to be my best horses this season, and it's looking likely still
Hot Springs daddy - just beaten in a photo in what looks a very hot race. Very unlucky not to get up. If he jumps well this season he'll be a big player, just a shame he's a hold up
Little Rock Liberty, suited by the small field an leading i think. may be a decent sort after winning the listed 2m race, but don't think she'll be too close to the top horses over 2mH
El Centro Token is currently as massive breeding stallion for me at the moment. A nice enough win over 2m4 hurdles. He was rated highest of them from wk1, so don't think the form will threaten the top horses over the distance
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Mon Jun 03, 2024 12:50 pm |
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kniesh
Group 2 winner
Joined: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:33 pm Posts: 867 Location: Nantwich
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Re: Season 16 Trainers Post Race Discussion and Thoughts
Githyanki wrote: Quote: I'm with you here, only been doing both for a few months an it's already destroyed my flat team It's a mammoth effort by anyone succeeding at it Quote: I really want another season now. I've just started using the samer 'feed' Mr Mullins uses on his horses on the NH. I can see big improvements next season What feed? Give them the best More a joke about Willie Mullins in real life. No idea what he gives them, but it's good 'I think this is where having a big breeding barn helps me, I am on about 400 NH mares presently and likely 250-300 each flat game, so I can do less seasons and have a higher hit rate of a successful pairing, and I can then be even more selective with the horses I keep. And I have taken the view more recently not to cull them, just let aging and death net off against new ‘breed’ additions. It does grow incrementally though especially when I clear down my stables after trial, but I am a long way away from troubling the game stable limit of 512. Race management becomes more painful and I do tend to have 10-15 runners in every big race, but the game does not matter. ' This is very similar to me. If I had a main game with all distances, or with both codes on the jumps my mares would be about 250 plus. Now I've broken them all down, its about 120 mares still for each distance. But it's so much easier to control once you only have to worry about 1 distance. I usually just let them die naturally now rather than culling. I think it helps keep your lines going longer the more mares you have, an also the more stallions you can use, even if they aren't quite producing the very best horses, they are padding out your breeding barn with different breeding lines
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Mon Jun 03, 2024 12:57 pm |
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Githyanki
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Re: Season 16 Trainers Post Race Discussion and Thoughts
Exactly that, rekindling an old line for me often leads to a nice suprise and a new one. Good day for me with 2 wins on each code. Jumps - Not ideal conditions over the card today, but a monster run from 'Judge Anderson' who is franking my trial form nicely with 2 from 2. Might have to check out her 10yo version now. 'The Lineup' continues to confound me, I am begining to wonder if he is not a horse who just had a bad trial round at 3m and lost his slot and I have gotten lucky in keeping him in for 3.4m or he is just somehow missing the best of the 3m chasers so far. But another fairly dominant win 2 from 2 graded class. Flat - Delighted with 'Thundercloud' going 2 from 2, this has really franked my sprinters trial form and I am warming up to the idea that I have nailed my recent breeding project. Could have a real range of 'freak' sprinters this season at all ages. Even happier to see 'Heart Of Oak' overcome her 2nd last week with a win in the classic trial, and against the colts too, been a while since I had a genuine oaks horse and one named specifically for the race Trying to buy her sire back from the game and or hoping the game drops it back in the pool..........fingers crossed.
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Mon Jun 03, 2024 1:19 pm |
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Munas23
Selling plater
Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:24 pm Posts: 79
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Re: Season 16 Trainers Post Race Discussion and Thoughts
A nice day for me with 2 wins, and also maybe my 2 horses will be in with a chance for the Oaks.
Josh, I love the name "Time to play the game". This is what happened with 2 of my horses, "Do Risky Shark" and "Be LBW" . Very early in my new game, I was naming to make things easier and never thought they would make the stable. Simular to another trainer, each year would start with a new letter of alphabet and then just breeding lines (I think Vinny does this with Cities). I like how LBW gave you a laugh Martin, was out of a French game bred "something Cricket," there was a few more random cricket names but thankful they got passed as years went by.
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Mon Jun 03, 2024 1:27 pm |
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Jim Murray
Handicapper
Joined: Fri May 17, 2019 2:45 am Posts: 227 Location: Fife, Scotland
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Re: Season 16 Trainers Post Race Discussion and Thoughts
A very frustrating day 1 on the flat.
There are 2 jockeys who might benefit from gelding.
One race with half a furlong to go, my horse is 5 lengths clear and the jockey just stops riding the horse. Another race, my horse is sitting nicely in 3rd place two out from the rail, when the jockey should be starting to make a move he stops riding horse and ends up at the back of the field, now on the rail. No place to go when jockey decides to make a move.
All my horses like to run at an even pace, I uploaded them with an even pace instuction just to emphasise this running style. So why were 3 horses "retrained to the rear". This is probably a racekit problem.
On the plus side, I was not expecting much from my NH team but a few of them surprised me and ended up in the money.
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Mon Jun 03, 2024 2:01 pm |
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Githyanki
Group 1 winner
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Re: Season 16 Trainers Post Race Discussion and Thoughts
Quote: All my horses like to run at an even pace, I uploaded them with an even pace instuction just to emphasise this running style. So why were 3 horses "retrained to the rear". This is probably a racekit problem We don’t know enough about the racekit to say, but I would think that’s an over simplification. Even in the game instructions are not always, or often followed, remember you maybe be asking the horse to do something it simply won’t do and I think you may also bring jockey obedience into the play. Always thought it might be interesting to analyse the jockey win percentages see if they also may have stats…….not interesting enough to do it. I also tend to think that if you run a horse out of style it loses something in the race, like the longer it does what is should be doing the more it builds up some sort of finish potential, or energy. Some of your races, whilst on face value look like a jockey that switched off may also be a game trigger when the energy taps out and jockey just can’t do anything….. I think the game clues you in with the long distance races, those horse that die as they cross the line and instantly walk are tapped out….. just a theory but I don’t use instructions, and felt they do as much harm as good if you get it wrong. For me run style is run style they are either good enough or not.
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Mon Jun 03, 2024 2:32 pm |
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kniesh
Group 2 winner
Joined: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:33 pm Posts: 867 Location: Nantwich
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Re: Season 16 Trainers Post Race Discussion and Thoughts
I think that ones been brought up before about the Jockeys just stopping to ride when clear. I think it is just the horse running out of energy, but the graphics are really frustrating for it. Think a fix should be put in so it doesn't look like the jockey stopping
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Mon Jun 03, 2024 2:56 pm |
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leonvr
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Re: Season 16 Trainers Post Race Discussion and Thoughts
When the horse drops back it's getting outpaced. The animation could do with some improving as it looks like your jockey has stopped riding. Same with the horse well clear it's getting tired and again animation needs improving. I have even paced horses and they often sit last, they just challenge earlier than hold up horses.
SO8 needs to improve horse course bias, pace and this crazy 8 or 10 wide running when there is no need. It makes for erratic results but I suppose it does make the league more interesting.
Didn't place my horse well in NH first day. Was a bit rushed. My 2 3 mile hurdlers ran well though.
Had 2 winners on the flat. Horses were both well handicapped and won quite easily. However it seems as if my flat stable is way better than last season
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Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:16 pm |
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ghosty
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Re: Season 16 Trainers Post Race Discussion and Thoughts
Well my stayers are still baffling me , a nice win for Stamp but a shocker from Brit. They either run well or run poorly. When I reopen my game after Hols will need to see if its because my horses doesn't have a full stamina bar, it's puzzling.
Well done to the winner of race 26 on the flat, I won't say u name just in case u not seen it.
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Tue Jun 04, 2024 6:28 am |
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nick_driver
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Re: Season 16 Trainers Post Race Discussion and Thoughts
Some slightly better results, picking up a fair bit of place money but nothing looked dangerous enough for a win.
Master Line (5th) - Just fell out of the places late, given he was running off 70, safe to say he's a lowly handicapper at best.
Purple Ronnie (7th) - As expected in maiden company clinging on to the pack at the back.
Maundy Thursday (5th) - Stayed on well, will have chances when handicapping.
Breton Rose (13th) - As expected in a maiden
The Predator (5th) - Really happy with this performance, big field, every time he looked beat he found more.
Lucky Berry (9th) - Not an awful run first time up.
Marie Curie (4th) - Another great race from her, just falling away in final furlong. 1m1f next time and she may stay in front.
Well done all winners and placers, especially as John referred to the winner of R26!
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