This idea was run past me and I wanted to get the thoughts of other trainers. It has not happened and if the feeling is against it then it will not happen.

The core idea is that a game file, created by someone else, is passed onto a new trainer. The previous trainer no longer plays the game and the new trainer only plays the game in the previous trainers name (importantly, no interbreeding). Essentially a Godolphin/Al Zarooni type partnership.

It would be like the old trainer returning but the nominations would be carried out by a different trainer. The flip side is that the new trainer would be reaping the work sowed by the previous trainer (of course, it would be known which trainers were doing this).

I have my own personal opinion on this and will give it later, as there are no rules for this in place currently I wanted to put it to everyone so that there is no question of doubt in the future once a decision is made. I have added a poll if you want to contribute anonymously.

edit: Who the trainers are is not important at this stage.

Simply, no.

I think there would be a huge problem of interbreeding. I do think the silent auction style selling/claiming races would be a better way of spreading class horses, if this is what your aiming to gain.

I brought it up before and you batted me away by saying interbreeding and cheating problems of past, but what if you didn't recieve the horse file - it was just added to your TOM stable database?

Yes; you wouldn't be able to trial them, but it'd help spread horses to smaller & newer trainers without the breeding/cheating aspect

i think your misunderstanding what rich is saying liam - how would there be interbreeding??

Interbreeding is a concern given that you would have two save games from different people, but we have checks in place to stop this from happening now. So if we know that interbreeding isn't allowed, does that make it more acceptable?

The issue of trialling against other people's horses before the league starts has always been a hot topic. Obviously people are in contact on email/instant messaging and the horse files can be easily transferred between friends, given that it is impossible to police we can merely advise against it rather than put it in the rules.

It's more acceptable if there's checks in place to stop interbreeding. I wouldn't say no to others taking up the idea of training another string for someone, but I wouldn't be taking up the offer anytime soon.

As Peter Jones would say, "I'm out"

I don't have a problem with this, the two players have been honest enough to put the question to Rich, they could have done this and none of us would have been any the wiser.

I agree with Kenny on this. It's happens in real life, when a trainer retire's and passes his stable on to whoever takes over.

If i didn't have the time to play the game i would love someone to take over my game, and breed new horses.

I dont like the idea!!

Why would a trainer thats doesn't want to play the game anymore, still want his horses to run in the game?

My horses are my horses, I bred my horses, I choose my horses races, I lose with my horses, I win with my horses.

I cant see the point.


Matt

No bother to me either, as if its going to change the fact that Scatters wins every big race anyway!

Is interbreeding meaning breeding one from your own game with one from the game you take on from another trainer?

If thats the case i dont really see the big deal, if someone gives you their game to take on, its yours and you can do whatever you want with it, ie import and export horses to breed with your own. JMO

If this is considered cheating which I think it is, theres not much you can do to stop it, if you allow this game swapping to happen. I dont think anyone in the league wants to cheat and if certain ppl want to take on someone elses horses I would give them the benefit of the doubt that they would play by the rules. But im too good with ppl so maybe that is a naive view.

Everyone knows my opinion on interbreeding and cheating etc but I think this is different, for the record I was approached by Ryan as he has lost his game and he asked me if I'm planning to return, I said I won't be back until SO5 as I'm too busy and obviously my game has been sitting there unplayed since the collapse of the league. If I'm not planning to come back and Ryan wants to use my game then I'm happy to hand it over to him as long as the majority are in agreement. My stable hasn't been played since the league collapsed last season so it's well behind the top three or four trainers at the moment, so it's going to need some work. I thought being upfront and honest is the correct way to proceed regarding this matter as I do know this is a touchy subject.

One way of interbreeding, I could send you my game pool and you could import my horses into your game and breed from them, So basically I could send you Urban Sea or Galileo.

as colin has indicated that it is me who asked him i will fully expain why i asked him:

i am not in any way asking colin for his game just so i can do better than i am doing - if you look at the trainer championships you will see i am in 3rd place!!!! The reason i asked colin if he planned to return was that i lost my game , started a new one and collected over 70 horses to import into a new game to start my breeding. when i attempted to transfer i got an audit error message and lost my entire transfer pool which i know has happened to other trainers.

i simply do not have the time to attempt to do this all over again as i have been doing it for pretty much the whole season. the reason i asked if colin would mind me managing his game is simply so i can participate. everyone knows that i love the league and try to help out by commentating, running races, a tipster comp and writing a few previews. My aim isnt just to be the best and get wins, it is to enjoy the banter and the fun of the league.

at no point did i ever discuss with colin whether i could use his files and pass them off as my own!! also interbreeding would never happen as i have no horses, and wouldnt even attempt it anyway because im not a cheat! also i asked rich about it instantly as i would never want to take credit for it - i wouldnt say 'yeah im the best now or anything like that ' as everyone would know the majority of the hard work was down to colin. i would simply play his game and run horses so i oculd participate in the league. with my wish to become more heavily involved in improving the nhc i would even happily enter that league only and leave the flat alone - maybe do some comms if rich wanted me 2 or run a set of races.

i understand the views of anyone against it, but please dont think im trying to gain a competitive advantage over anybody, it is not about that i just want to be able to participate in the next league season which will probably be the last before so5. by the time so5 comes out i will have finished my msc thesis and will return as my own training!! sorry if this has angered anybody and please consider it carefully

Just as a trainer who is returning myself l think this is a strong NO. I am just starting again and lm in process of finding good base horses myself. This IMO cannot be even thought about as lm pretty sure we have lost several top trainers due to concerns over this kind of thing. Ryan if you lost the game mate and your transfer pool l am very sorry but would you even feel pleasure in taking over someone elses game and then winning with them. We all now ESA has a superb line of breeding and this too me would be very un-fair and again risk losing even more trainers as you can see from the vote. Just my opinion tho

fair enough mike. as i said mate i wouldnt be wanting to take credit for it , it was just to be able to continue participating

Ryan

If you did take over Colin's stable, would that mean you will have your horses and the pick of Colin's horses? Because that would not be fair.
If you just take over his stable and didnt have horses running from your stable maybe I would change my view (and vote).


Matt