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			| Scatters Group 1 winner 
					Joined: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:26 am
 Posts: 1031
 Location: Sydney Australia
   |   Proposed UK Season 13 TOM Betting CompetitionProposed UK Season 13 TOM Betting Competition
 As the heading suggests if Rich approves I will organise a betting competition that is strictly done in the TOM betting system throughout the season.
 
 This is to encourage betting in TOM to make the races more attractive to trainers with non runners or observers watching from the sidelines.
 
 Rules
 
 1. Betting competition is for the UK Flat Season 13 only. Sorry about the NHC but it would be too huge a task to do it all.
 2. Bets in TOM will be recognised ONLY!! No outside arrangements.
 3. This competition is based on the TOM betting system working. TOM will be considered for all official transactions. If there is a problem with TOM (I don’t think this will happen but you never know) the competition might have to be scrapped.
 4. You can bet as many times as you want per race!!.
 5. Only win, place and each way bets will be recognised. No other types of bets such as doubles and exotics etc.
 6. Handicap races after week 4 will be Doubled for competition purposes.
 7. Winner will be the punter with the most return minus their outlay
 8. Comp starts week 4
 
 Winners will receive the following:
 
 1st – $1,000,000
 
 2nd – $750,000
 
 3rd – $500,000
 
 4th – $500,000
 
 5th – $500,000
 
 6th – $250,000
 
 7th – $250,000
 
 8th – $250,000
 
 9th – $250,000
 
 10th – $250,000
 
 I am open to suggestions so let me know what you think.
 
 I know this puts more emphasis/pressure on the bookies and if this is a problem we can scrap the whole idea as this is meant to be fun for all.
 
 But what I need to know is will at least 2 people volunteer to be the bookies in TOM betting throughout the season as I will look after the winnings/losses? Not every race has to be marked up!!!
 
 I ask for 2 as one might not be able to do it one week.
 
 Thanks
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			| keithbeaky Group 1 winner 
					Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:47 pm
 Posts: 2407
 Location: UK
   | I can enter all the odds on a Sunday eve or Monday afternoon, though Steve's tissue would be invaluable as Im very new to this so need the help. I can manage books and am prepared to take one or two on, espeically if the figures are good, but dont want to be caught out as soon as i go up! 
 
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			| kenny1972 Group 2 winner 
					Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:41 pm
 Posts: 801
 Location: Scotland
   | Scatters, could we have it so there are 10 races to bet on at first and if there is a lot of interest in the comp we could increase the amount of races?
 I could price up the races for Keith.
 
 
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			| Scatters Group 1 winner 
					Joined: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:26 am
 Posts: 1031
 Location: Sydney Australia
   | Done, do as you see fit Keith, Kenny  _________________
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			| keithbeaky Group 1 winner 
					Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:47 pm
 Posts: 2407
 Location: UK
   | Im just still well behind as to who is who. Peoples usernames are different to their trainer names so its hard to price a race up on that basis.
 A few of mine in the 70's are well handicapped, imo, so duck them!
 
 
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			| Thunderspark Handicapper 
					Joined: Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:29 pm
 Posts: 242
   | I like the idea to get more people involved in betting.  But maybe a differnt reward.  Seems like money in the league is pointless.  Just like in the game, where eventually you will become a billionaire.  
 What if the winner gets an extra 2 stall slots and the 2nd place gets 1 extra stall for next season.
 Or make it weekly and the winner gets 10 lbs removed from any horse they want in any race. 2nd gets 5lbs and 3rd = 3lbs
 Or the winner get to penalize any other trainer's horse by 10 lbs. in any race.
 Or the winner is allowed to replace one of his horse and is allowed to upload another horse.
 Or the winner is allowed to choose post position for 1 of their horse.
 Or maybe I'm just rambling and everyone should ignore this post  
 
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			| scotty64 Group 3 winner 
					Joined: Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:07 am
 Posts: 693
   | Thunderspark wrote: I like the idea to get more people involved in betting.  But maybe a differnt reward.  Seems like money in the league is pointless.  Just like in the game, where eventually you will become a billionaire.  
 
 What if the winner gets an extra 2 stall slots and the 2nd place gets 1 extra stall for next season.
 
 Or make it weekly and the winner gets 10 lbs removed from any horse they want in any race. 2nd gets 5lbs and 3rd = 3lbs
 
 Or the winner get to penalize any other trainer's horse by 10 lbs. in any race.
 
 Or the winner is allowed to replace one of his horse and is allowed to upload another horse.
 
 Or the winner is allowed to choose post position for 1 of their horse.
 
 Or maybe I'm just rambling and everyone should ignore this post :)
    
 
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			| 17days Group 2 winner 
					Joined: Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:34 pm
 Posts: 732
 Location: Oxfordshire
   | Thunderspark wrote: I like the idea to get more people involved in betting.  But maybe a differnt reward.  Seems like money in the league is pointless.  Just like in the game, where eventually you will become a billionaire.   What if the winner gets an extra 2 stall slots and the 2nd place gets 1 extra stall for next season. Or make it weekly and the winner gets 10 lbs removed from any horse they want in any race. 2nd gets 5lbs and 3rd = 3lbs Or the winner get to penalize any other trainer's horse by 10 lbs. in any race. Or the winner is allowed to replace one of his horse and is allowed to upload another horse. Or the winner is allowed to choose post position for 1 of their horse. Or maybe I'm just rambling and everyone should ignore this post  What post?  
 
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			| hackett Group 1 winner 
					Joined: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:17 pm
 Posts: 1049
 Location: Southampton
   | John sounds good mate, do we have starting balance to work from or does anything go?.......... going in the minus would not see you outed from the comp i mean , only thing i want to make you aware off and im not 100% sure if this is the case, you will need to check with COLM/ RICH but if to many people do single bets in one race there are a max that i think that TOM will allow in total. I know it will only allow one trainer 3 bets max at win, each way and place per race. but if TOM only allows 12 registered bets at these options also per race you may have to limit trainers to one bet a race so others can have there share. 
 Sign me up otherwise mate ill take part.
 
 Also what Thunder said think it would be better with the extra stable slots as reward rather then the money.
 
 
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			| Scatters Group 1 winner 
					Joined: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:26 am
 Posts: 1031
 Location: Sydney Australia
   | hackett wrote: John sounds good mate, do we have starting balance to work from or does anything go?.......... going in the minus would not see you outed from the comp i mean , only thing i want to make you aware off and im not 100% sure if this is the case, you will need to check with COLM/ RICH but if to many people do single bets in one race there are a max that i think that TOM will allow in total. I know it will only allow one trainer 3 bets max at win, each way and place per race. but if TOM only allows 12 registered bets at these options also per race you may have to limit trainers to one bet a race so others can have there share. 
 Sign me up otherwise mate ill take part.
 
 Also what Thunder said think it would be better with the extra stable slots as reward rather then the money.
Hackett, wasn't aware there was a limit. Are you saying there is a transaction limit of 12 or something per race? If this is so then yes a limit of 1 bet per trainer!!
 Also I will tone down the prizemoney!!_________________
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			| Scatters Group 1 winner 
					Joined: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:26 am
 Posts: 1031
 Location: Sydney Australia
   | I have made changers to the rules and prize money!!!!!
 Changes to the rules are made in bold format.
 
 So check first post again!!!
 
 Although I'm still open to change things up a little. So Keep your ideas coming in if you feel very stongly about something.
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			| hackett Group 1 winner 
					Joined: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:17 pm
 Posts: 1049
 Location: Southampton
   | John im not 100 % sure how many transactions/selections you can do a race in total but im sure at some point last season trainers were unable to bet because TOM would not allow it ( to many bets in a race already at each way,win,place.)  You would have to check with Colm/Rich they may know for sure. 
 
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			| Scatters Group 1 winner 
					Joined: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:26 am
 Posts: 1031
 Location: Sydney Australia
   | hackett wrote: John im not 100 % sure how many transactions/selections you can do a race in total but im sure at some point last season trainers were unable to bet because TOM would not allow it ( to many bets in a race already at each way,win,place.)  You would have to check with Colm/Rich they may know for sure.Rich, Colm can you please advise on this?
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			| Scatters Group 1 winner 
					Joined: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:26 am
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 Location: Sydney Australia
   | Rich, Colm can you please advise on this? 
 Thanks
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			| kenny1972 Group 2 winner 
					Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:41 pm
 Posts: 801
 Location: Scotland
   | Week 4 Race 2 prices are up, I'll get the others up asap
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