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Munas23
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 Re: Cruising Burst
Some great points in here.
With potential, Jim made a good point, they all develop different but Max out at 4ish, for the flat. I've never had over 90 unrealised at 2, but i've had 100 realised at 4. Just depends on the save.
The juju, in the discord I talked about when from no where I got a stayer winning by 2-4 lengths over everything, was a real shock. This was the start to my distance breeding. My best stayer, who we can't judge yet due to one start, only has 65% cruise, but won the 20f race in week 1.
The one thing about save games is in general once you can't find a 'stat' it wont be there. ie my main save no horse has over 95% extra speed. I went looking 40 seasons in at every stallion and horse I could see and nothing. This is what holds my sprinters back so if we have another season ill start a new save and try and get it.
Start on easy mode, then make no diffence apart from more cash/horse.
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Fri Jun 27, 2025 5:37 am |
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Munas23
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Just saw on the discord channel my photo of Jelly E at 5, she is only 92 potenital so this will be an interesting case study
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Fri Jun 27, 2025 5:52 am |
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kniesh
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Joined: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:33 pm Posts: 925 Location: Nantwich
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dangersteve wrote: Wow! Amazing guys! So much to process there, especially this JuJu rating magic trickery Before I restart a new game, I have several questions. Does it matter if you go manual training or auto? ( I usually go with the auto lazy option) - The main thing you can do with manual training is make your horses finish stronger I think. Watch Josh's horses finish if it's tight. If they are in a tight finish, the last 50 yards they always power away. I might be wrong but I'm sure he's said he trains them for that somehow. I'd say that's likely the only real benefit. You can concentrate on little things like that (that will make a difference). I dont think anyone else trains manual though.Does it matter if the difficulty level is set to hard or easy? (I usually set this to hard) - no, set it to easy, you get more money to start with, an it makes no differenceI don't know if this is right or wrong, but I tend to always start my new games off trying to establish good sprinting bloodlines, and then from there creep up the distance, usually to a max of 1m4f, I don't really have interest in longer races. Will this hold me back from finding the juju horse? Assuming the best way of finding it is to fill my breeding barn full of mares and breed to every stallion no matter the bred distance. - I always agreed with John on this one, breeding up is always easier as it seems to happen naturally as the horses in breeding get older. My new game has changed my mind. I've always had decent sprinters, even when I was struggling in the league. And it always came from concentrating on sprinters an working up. However, this new batch of sprinters this season are a cut above anything I've had before in the league, an they were all bred from 10f horses in my game. My JUJU horse was a 10f this time in the game, and I bred down from there. I think you just need to find that JUJU horse in the game an go from there, don't worry about distances at the start. I never bred anything distance specific till about 25-30 seasons into this game. I'm only 45 seasons in now. ALWAYS be trialling from the very start no matter what. It takes minutes early on in a game, an it's the only way to find the true JUJU horse. Be breeding for stats seperately to that, but make sure you trial everything just to see which horse beats the rest by a 3 to 4 lengths in the CK. That is the most important bit. Some people dont trial early, but they're more likely to miss it an just start a new game when they dont find it. Every game will give you these horses. Just easy to miss if you dont trial straight away. Early on, I'll be stopping the game mid season to go an check what certain horses do in the CK. Not proper intense trials. You only have to run a few races an it will be obvious. Once I have started a new game, to help find the juju horse, should I only trail horses from my new game, or can I mix them in with current game exports? Like, how obvious is this horse going to be? A total OMG this horse is amazing and beating everything in a canter by 6 lengths? - Ha, think I answered that one above going off on a tangent , yes trial everything, an yes, you'll see it very obviously. Then you can split your breeding into stats based, an JUJU based till you get all the stats you want. Then mixAre there multiple juju horses for different distances? Yes, but likely at different levels. I find that you et a few early on that are better than the rest, probably about a 6 or 7 on the JUJU scale out of 10, use these!!. Around 15-20 seasons in, you'll get one or 2 that off the scale an really propel your game. I dont stop looking an hammering the trialling till about season 25-30, once it's obvious I have the JUJU, I start to mix with the stats based ones I've been ignoring an just breeding with for stats only.At the start of a new season I usually go through each new 2yo and all those with low potential I just remove from game immediately, is this wise while looking for the juju? yes, I still do this, but do it at 1, not 2. 2yos are impossible to tell from stats really as they all change. At 1, it shows you the potential they actually have. I dont even bother with the 2yo sales early on. Everything is done at 1, an 3+ for me. I name all my horses as yearlings, an cull depending on stats there. Once I've got the 2yo's I'll be keeping I skip forward a couple of weeks to mid January and then I export them and run a few trials at 5,6 & 7 furlongs to get a shortlist of the top 10 or so horses I'll keep for the season, the rest I usually sell or ditch, occasionally I'll keep the odd one if it has good stats. - Never cull horses based on 2yo trialling. Its completely different to 3yo an 4yo form. By all means trial at 2, so you can get a 2yo line going. But base any culling on 1yo stats, then 3yo trialling.I tend to export all my stable (2yo-4yo's) around the same time every year, and then run trails at Ascot from 5f-1m4f and on gd-sft & gd-frm. I usually do this in June, after each horse has had a couple of runs. Is there a perfect time of year to export horses for trails? (I understand if this is asking too much info, trade secrets and all that) - I export all mine on 25th August, usually after 4 runs that season. I've never really noticed much of a difference in exporting at different times, but the earliest I've done is 15th July, so not much scope between the 2.Does it matter how many races a horse has under it's belt before exporting? I go for 4, you have to give the horse enough races to fill it's potential. So you want the green potential bar to be all dark green, not any of it left light green. 3 or 4 races usually does this
Thanks chaps! Steve I've tried to answer what I do in bold up above. Josh, Jim an John are 3 of the best breeders an league trainers I've seen. Each of them do it different so there are loads of different ways to adapt it once you get hooked into the crazy world of breeding an trialling. I think the one fundamental is always the JUJU. Once you find that, you can adapt the game to whatever way suits you. I'd always listen to them 3 though to an try an adapt from it
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Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:36 am |
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kniesh
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Joined: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:33 pm Posts: 925 Location: Nantwich
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Just realised, if your name starts with 'J' you seem to be born with the 'JUJU' 
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dangersteve
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dangersteve
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Thanks very much Vinny! Looking at your results this season so far I'd say you're up there with the best of them training wise, so I appreciate you taking the time to go through each question with a detailed response! This should help me massively I think now going forward, its as though I've been shown the light! LOL On a slightly different topic. I've seen a download for the increment bar thingy m bob, I tried the link but it isn't working for me. If anyone could point me towards another link or which graphics files in the game folder I'd need to 'tweak' so I can better read the stats bars. That would be great! Thanks chaps! Steve
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Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:49 pm |
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dangersteve
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Sorry one more question on the JUJU When looking for these horses, do they show up initially as a 2YO's? Or can they appear only as a 3YO? Or is it mixed? 
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Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:56 pm |
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ghosty
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dangersteve wrote: Thanks very much Vinny! Looking at your results this season so far I'd say you're up there with the best of them training wise, so I appreciate you taking the time to go through each question with a detailed response! This should help me massively I think now going forward, its as though I've been shown the light! LOL On a slightly different topic. I've seen a download for the increment bar thingy m bob, I tried the link but it isn't working for me. If anyone could point me towards another link or which graphics files in the game folder I'd need to 'tweak' so I can better read the stats bars. That would be great! Thanks chaps! Steve Drop a post to Sirus in here, I think it's his work.
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Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:30 pm |
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dangersteve
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ghosty wrote: dangersteve wrote: Thanks very much Vinny! Looking at your results this season so far I'd say you're up there with the best of them training wise, so I appreciate you taking the time to go through each question with a detailed response! This should help me massively I think now going forward, its as though I've been shown the light! LOL On a slightly different topic. I've seen a download for the increment bar thingy m bob, I tried the link but it isn't working for me. If anyone could point me towards another link or which graphics files in the game folder I'd need to 'tweak' so I can better read the stats bars. That would be great! Thanks chaps! Steve Drop a post to Sirus in here, I think it's his work. OK Ill try that! Thanks
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Fri Jun 27, 2025 10:33 pm |
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dangersteve
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OK new game started as advised! Fingers crossed... Not sure if this tip might help out any newbies who maybe reading this thread. To boost my bank quickly so that I can get straight to the action I save my game, then load it up again, go to that days racing and skip the first 5 races, then go through each of the results to look for a big priced winner that won by 2 or more lengths, and also a second place horse that beat the 3rd by a couple of lengths. I'll then Ctrl-Alt-Delete, end my game in the Task Manager and load it back up which will bring me back to the start of the day, only this time I go to the race in question that I've picked out and bet on the straight forecast! I use to do this manually clicking a zillion times until my fingers bled, but my teenage son recently showed me an 'auto clicker' that you can download for free that will click the mouse button for me, so I can now go off and make a cuppa or do something else and leave the clicker placing the bets until my bank is empty or I'm bored of waiting. Once this is done, I'll skip the day and 9 times out of 10 the result will be the same as before and Kerching! I'm a multi-millionaire! You'll only need to do this a few times before you'll have over 100+ million in the bank and you can concentrate on the nitty gritty and stop worrying about bankroll! 
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Fri Jun 27, 2025 10:48 pm |
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dangersteve
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More questions relating to the JUJU
Obviously at the start of a new game the quality of the mares you pick up at auctions are pretty bad. Can you afford to be picky here waiting for better mares to show up? Or shall I just ram the breeding barn full (asap) of anything and everything until I have enough mares to breed with every stallion?
Regards the gamebred stallions. After breeding with them once and then trailing the offspring, if no JUJU is found do you ignore that stallion the following year or keep trying year after year? I guess some of it comes back to the potential rating as a yearling? Maybe I've answered my own question there....
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Fri Jun 27, 2025 10:57 pm |
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dangersteve
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When running trials in the CK, especially early on in a game, do trainers here watch the entire race start to finish? Normal speed or fast speed? Or do you just skip straight to the result? If I'm just trying to find the JUJU then early on I'm not really interested in the shape of the race (pace). On my previous saves I usually ran all my trials in fast speed and watched whole race, but that's why I only really focused on sprints and mile horses, I couldn't be bothered to watch a 1m6f for example  Later on to save time I'd just skip to the result and read the notes for each runner to see who where the prominent horses and who where my hold up horses. But something in the back of my mind always questioned whether the result would have been different if I watched the race start to finish. Does it make any difference? hmmm
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Fri Jun 27, 2025 11:16 pm |
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kniesh
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Joined: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:33 pm Posts: 925 Location: Nantwich
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dangersteve wrote: Sorry one more question on the JUJU When looking for these horses, do they show up initially as a 2YO's? Or can they appear only as a 3YO? Or is it mixed?  Never a 2yo for me. Others may have different results, but finding JUJU, I only try 3 an 4 yos in the CK
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Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:11 am |
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kniesh
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dangersteve wrote: More questions relating to the JUJU
Obviously at the start of a new game the quality of the mares you pick up at auctions are pretty bad. Can you afford to be picky here waiting for better mares to show up? Or shall I just ram the breeding barn full (asap) of anything and everything until I have enough mares to breed with every stallion?
Regards the gamebred stallions. After breeding with them once and then trailing the offspring, if no JUJU is found do you ignore that stallion the following year or keep trying year after year? I guess some of it comes back to the potential rating as a yearling? Maybe I've answered my own question there....
Steve The first season you should buy every single mare you can an send them to the barn. breed them with every single stallion in the game you can. This allows you to then get to Dec 19th. Save the game. go an copy that save to somewhere for safe keeping. Then advance it an check the stats of every game stallion in the breeding barn. This is how you find all the best stats you need. Make a note of the stallions with 100% pot. 95+ extra speed, an 65+ cruise burst. These are the ones you need to use when you go back to the point you saved. That's the first part of it then. You have your stats. You can then get rid of all the mares that have poor stats from the barn, keep the decent looking ones. Breed like mad to get the best stallions stats into mares, but from this point on export every mare an stallion you buy an breed to check for JUJU. If you've found the stats numbers listed above, all you need then is that one horse that beats everything easily in the CK. Then you're pretty much set
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kniesh
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dangersteve wrote: When running trials in the CK, especially early on in a game, do trainers here watch the entire race start to finish? Normal speed or fast speed? Or do you just skip straight to the result? If I'm just trying to find the JUJU then early on I'm not really interested in the shape of the race (pace). On my previous saves I usually ran all my trials in fast speed and watched whole race, but that's why I only really focused on sprints and mile horses, I couldn't be bothered to watch a 1m6f for example  Later on to save time I'd just skip to the result and read the notes for each runner to see who where the prominent horses and who where my hold up horses. But something in the back of my mind always questioned whether the result would have been different if I watched the race start to finish. Does it make any difference? hmmm I always hit space early on. It doesn't matter when you're just looking for JUJU
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