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				 IiStaples 
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				  140 rated first time out  
					
						Never seen this before, anyone had the same?   
					
  
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				 NPG319 
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					 Joined: Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:39 am Posts: 2498 Location: South Australia
				 
				 
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				  Re: 140 rated first time out  
					
						At the moment I can only dream about it    
					
  
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				 pjrhodes1970 
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					 Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15187 Location: Republic of Ireland
				 
				 
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				  Re: 140 rated first time out  
					
						done it a few times too only way you can do it is straight into the deep end in a G1 
					
  
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			| Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:22 am | 
			
				
					 
					
					 
				    
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				 NPG319 
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				  Re: 140 rated first time out  
					
						pjrhodes1970 wrote: done it a few times too only way you can do it is straight into the deep end in a G1 What's your highest from winning a maiden first up?  
					
  
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				 Hechicera 
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				  Re: 140 rated first time out  
					
						pjrhodes1970 wrote: done it a few times too only way you can do it is straight into the deep end in a G1 Was my guess when I saw it. Since I don't see me duplicating this anytime soon     , I am curious: Do they often keep that form? Or is that rating more an artifact of that one win with no other data in a race of that class (and presumably also against horses with existing higher ratings)?  
					
  
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			| Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:26 pm | 
			
				
					 
					
					 
				  
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				 NPG319 
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					 Joined: Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:39 am Posts: 2498 Location: South Australia
				 
				 
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				  Re: 140 rated first time out  
					
						Hechicera wrote: pjrhodes1970 wrote: done it a few times too only way you can do it is straight into the deep end in a G1 Was my guess when I saw it. Since I don't see me duplicating this anytime soon     , I am curious: Do they often keep that form? Or is that rating more an artifact of that one win with no other data in a race of that class (and presumably also against horses with existing higher ratings)? I think so.  
					
  
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			| Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:13 pm | 
			
				
					 
					
					 
				  
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				 pjrhodes1970 
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				  Re: 140 rated first time out  
					
						NPG319 wrote: pjrhodes1970 wrote: done it a few times too only way you can do it is straight into the deep end in a G1 What's your highest from winning a maiden first up? I think 134 is my best  
					
  
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				 NPG319 
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				  Re: 140 rated first time out  
					
						pjrhodes1970 wrote: NPG319 wrote: pjrhodes1970 wrote: done it a few times too only way you can do it is straight into the deep end in a G1 What's your highest from winning a maiden first up? I think 134 is my best If you can remember - How did it turn out? Did it live up to it's rating?  
					
  
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				 pjrhodes1970 
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				  Re: 140 rated first time out  
					
						when they get a 140 rating on debut it always goes down to mid 130s with more races even if they win I honestly cant remember how the 134 turned out just 1 of abut 20,000+ horses i have trained     
					
  
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				 NPG319 
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				  Re: 140 rated first time out  
					
						pjrhodes1970 wrote: when they get a 140 rating on debut it always goes down to mid 130s with more races even if they win I honestly cant remember how the 134 turned out just 1 of abut 20,000+ horses i have trained    Yep - I know you've got a healthy breeding programme   So I am not surprised you can't remember    
					
  
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				 IiStaples 
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				  Re: 140 rated first time out  
					
						pjrhodes1970 wrote: when they get a 140 rating on debut it always goes down to mid 130s with more races even if they win I honestly cant remember how the 134 turned out just 1 of abut 20,000+ horses i have trained    Surprisingly managed to hold 140 for the three year old season   
					
  
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				 NPG319 
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				  Re: 140 rated first time out  
					
						Another beast!    
					
  
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				 Hechicera 
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				  Re: 140 rated first time out  
					
						So, it did keep it's form. Wow. 
					
  
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				 IiStaples 
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				  Re: 140 rated first time out  
					
						Hechicera wrote: So, it did keep it's form. Wow. I wouldn't say she always ran to 140 but as she kept winning it just didn't drop. 2nd highest rated in Eclipse was 119 and she won half a length  
					
  
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				 ChrisOrmie 
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				  Re: 140 rated first time out  
					
						IiStaples wrote: pjrhodes1970 wrote: when they get a 140 rating on debut it always goes down to mid 130s with more races even if they win I honestly cant remember how the 134 turned out just 1 of abut 20,000+ horses i have trained    Surprisingly managed to hold 140 for the three year old season  Wow. I have no other words.  
					
						
					
  
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