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				 Wannabe 
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					 Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:22 pm Posts: 739 Location: Fife, Scotland
				 
				 
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				  Bumper Races at Aintree Week 11  
					
						Just noticed that there are 2 bumper races at Aintree in week 11. A mares race and an open race, races 13 and 20.
  With so few horses taking part in bumper races, do we need 2 bumper races in the same week?
  With 2 races it does give different horses a chance of winning a race.
 
  There is no 16f open hurdles race in week 11, (plenty of novice races), so maybe that is a possible replacement race. We could call it John Morgan Cheltenham Champions Cup. 
					
  
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			| Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:03 am | 
			
				
					 
					
					 
				  
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				 pjrhodes1970 
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					 Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15187 Location: Republic of Ireland
				 
				 
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				  Re: Bumper Races at Aintree Week 11  
					
						id say its way too late to make changes now
  we will prob only have 3 runners in 1 and 4 in the other as i think there are now only 7 bumper horses in the game 
  Philly will go to the mares one needs to redeem herself 
					
  
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			| Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:26 am | 
			
				
					 
					
					 
				    
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				 Wannabe 
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				  Re: Bumper Races at Aintree Week 11  
					
						I had a quick look and 6 of the 7 horses that ran yesterday are fillies 
					
  
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			| Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:12 am | 
			
				
					 
					
					 
				  
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				 leonvr 
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					 Joined: Wed May 14, 2008 2:50 pm Posts: 2486
				 
				 
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				  Re: Bumper Races at Aintree Week 11  
					
						the solution for this going forward for next season is allow novices to run in bumpers.  Is this ok for everyone? 
					
  
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			| Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:50 am | 
			
				
					 
					
					 
				  
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				 Wannabe 
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				  Re: Bumper Races at Aintree Week 11  
					
						I think bumper races should be kept to bumper horses. 
  If trainers do not want to upload a specialised bumper horse then that is up to them. 
					
  
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			| Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:24 pm | 
			
				
					 
					
					 
				  
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				 pjrhodes1970 
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				  Re: Bumper Races at Aintree Week 11  
					
						guys there are 30 slots in each persons squad surely room for a bumper horse  in everyones team i still think 30 horses is too many there is not enough races  for them all i think 25 would be about right one trainer having 4 2 mile hurdlers or even 5 2 mile chasers is too many just my opinion think having smaller squads would help level the playing field does anyone else struggle to get runs into all  there horses 
					
  
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				 simpleminds 
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					 Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:56 pm Posts: 5757 Location: uk
				 
				 
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				  Re: Bumper Races at Aintree Week 11  
					
						pjrhodes1970 wrote: guys there are 30 slots in each persons squad surely room for a bumper horse  in everyones team i still think 30 horses is too many there is not enough races  for them all i think 25 would be about right one trainer having 4 2 mile hurdlers or even 5 2 mile chasers is too many just my opinion think having smaller squads would help level the playing field does anyone else struggle to get runs into all  there horses I disagree the field sizes are on the small size for Cheltenham if every trainer had 30  we would have better Fields Paul I have 30 and I don't find races for all of them you say 5 2m chasers are too many if your a top stable I will agree has you will looking at the big grade races but a if your a small trainer you are looking at 1 Novice chaser maybe 2 one Colt one Mare I Main 2mile Chaser a Couple of handicappers that can run in the 2m 1f, 2m2f and 2m 3f Races The fields are small you look at the Handicaps have good fields Exception Pertemps Final trainers diverted horses qualified maybe went for World Hurdle I am thinking if we don't get more trainers perhaps allowing certain Race's letting Trainers have two runners. Has for the Bumpers I had two horses for the bumper but decided after a few runs they had no chance of winning a race so put them over hurdles the field sizes are been shrinking since the start as trainers see you mopping them up lol and that's the sad thing you have great bumper horses but that's one race a week that's 13 runs behind you and Jims horses that's why the sizes have gone dowmn trainers have switched them and that's why I think Leon's Idea allowing Novices I would Say Juveniles Only can switch between both. Gray  
					
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				 pjrhodes1970 
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				  Re: Bumper Races at Aintree Week 11  
					
						simpleminds wrote: pjrhodes1970 wrote: guys there are 30 slots in each persons squad surely room for a bumper horse  in everyones team i still think 30 horses is too many there is not enough races  for them all i think 25 would be about right one trainer having 4 2 mile hurdlers or even 5 2 mile chasers is too many just my opinion think having smaller squads would help level the playing field does anyone else struggle to get runs into all  there horses I disagree the field sizes are on the small size for Cheltenham if every trainer had 30  we would have better Fields Paul I have 30 and I don't find races for all of them you say 5 2m chasers are too many if your a top stable I will agree has you will looking at the big grade races but a if your a small trainer you are looking at 1 Novice chaser maybe 2 one Colt one Mare I Main 2mile Chaser a Couple of handicappers that can run in the 2m 1f, 2m2f and 2m 3f Races The fields are small you look at the Handicaps have good fields Exception Pertemps Final trainers diverted horses qualified maybe went for World Hurdle I am thinking if we don't get more trainers perhaps allowing certain Race's letting Trainers have two runners. Has for the Bumpers I had two horses for the bumper but decided after a few runs they had no chance of winning a race so put them over hurdles the field sizes are been shrinking since the start as trainers see you mopping them up lol and that's the sad thing you have great bumper horses but that's one race a week that's 13 runs behind you and Jims horses that's why the sizes have gone dowmn trainers have switched them and that's why I think Leon's Idea allowing Novices I would Say Juveniles Only can switch between both. Gray They are all fair points mate thinking about it  
					
  
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			| Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:56 pm | 
			
				
					 
					
					 
				    
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				 ghostzapper74 
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					 Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:03 am Posts: 4168 Location: Wales
				 
				 
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				  Re: Bumper Races at Aintree Week 11  
					
						If u let 4yo hurdlers in then u should use the rule like real life where u can only run in 4 bumpers, then one horse couldn't dominate all the races and u would need to pick and choice what races to go for. 
					
  
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			| Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:00 pm | 
			
				
					 
					
					 
				  
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				 ghostzapper74 
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					 Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:03 am Posts: 4168 Location: Wales
				 
				 
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				  Re: Bumper Races at Aintree Week 11  
					
						Wannabe wrote: Just noticed that there are 2 bumper races at Aintree in week 11. A mares race and an open race, races 13 and 20.
  With so few horses taking part in bumper races, do we need 2 bumper races in the same week?
  With 2 races it does give different horses a chance of winning a race.
 
  There is no 16f open hurdles race in week 11, (plenty of novice races), so maybe that is a possible replacement race. We could call it John Morgan Cheltenham Champions Cup. There use to be the Captain Morgan 2m H'cap chase at Aintree, Captain Morgan was from the rougher part of the family.    
					
  
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