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GS63
Group 1 winner
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:50 am Posts: 1903 Location: Torbay, England
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 Re: The League in SO5
Greyhawk wrote: It will be interesting to see the split between what races the top trainers have to aim for and what races the other trainers have to aim for. 50/50 would be nice, 40/60 would be better as there are more moderate trainers. Just my two pence worth before I get the Jessie James treatment. If I enter the league, I'll be a total newbie, so provided there is even the smallest possibility of winning a race in any grade, I'll be happy.
_________________ Shergar - unstoppable and always the best.
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Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:36 pm |
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GGBall
Handicapper
Joined: Fri May 04, 2012 2:09 pm Posts: 240 Location: Wincanton, Somerset
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 Re: The League in SO5
GS63 wrote: Greyhawk wrote: It will be interesting to see the split between what races the top trainers have to aim for and what races the other trainers have to aim for. 50/50 would be nice, 40/60 would be better as there are more moderate trainers. Just my two pence worth before I get the Jessie James treatment. If I enter the league, I'll be a total newbie, so provided there is even the smallest possibility of winning a race in any grade, I'll be happy. We can battle it out for the wooden spoon ! 
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:03 pm |
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keithbeaky
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:47 pm Posts: 2407 Location: UK
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 Re: The League in SO5
Reducing stable size will make the league better in so many ways. Irl no trainer dominates every distance in each age division. And every now and then a small stable win a group race, hopefully this will happen in the league.
Instead of having almost 2 horses at every distance trainers will now maybe have a mixture of 2yo, 3yo and 4yo+ and will not be able to have one horse at every distance in each age category. This could also mean some weak divisions, just as irl.
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:24 pm |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15179 Location: Republic of Ireland
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 Re: The League in SO5
less is more love the 15 max means 1 trainer cant dominate all
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:49 pm |
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GS63
Group 1 winner
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:50 am Posts: 1903 Location: Torbay, England
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 Re: The League in SO5
GGBall wrote: GS63 wrote: Greyhawk wrote: It will be interesting to see the split between what races the top trainers have to aim for and what races the other trainers have to aim for. 50/50 would be nice, 40/60 would be better as there are more moderate trainers. Just my two pence worth before I get the Jessie James treatment. If I enter the league, I'll be a total newbie, so provided there is even the smallest possibility of winning a race in any grade, I'll be happy. We can battle it out for the wooden spoon !  Wooden spoon? I'll be lucky to win a twig!
_________________ Shergar - unstoppable and always the best.
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:15 pm |
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jalupen
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:00 am Posts: 1288
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 Re: The League in SO5
if we are having smaller stables can we have a distance spread as i have a couple of horses that are running very close to standards at a 2f spread hopefully in the next couple they will hit both standards at least just a thought
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:18 pm |
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Ubar02
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:04 am Posts: 2119
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 Re: The League in SO5
Just had a go at 'league' style gameplay today( getting loads of money at start and rushing through) and I found it really unfulfilling. Maybe my attitude will change after giving the league a go but I think I'll just stick with my regular game and enter my best horses from that. Looks like I'll be one of the main contenders for wooden spoon then!
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:12 pm |
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simpleminds
Group 1 winner
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:56 pm Posts: 5742 Location: uk
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 Re: The League in SO5
I dont think 15 will be enough if you dont get enough trainers we will be light on runners and the spread of distances over jumps requires lots of horses running at different distances and when you spilt your flat runners up into 2,3, and 4yo's flat could also be light if i decide to have 5 2yo's, covering 6 distances 5f to 1m 2f then 5 3yo with 16 distances and 5 4yo with another 16 distances.
we only had about 30 trainers last season although we will get a few newbies alot of oldies are not bothering no more.
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:38 pm |
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keithbeaky
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:47 pm Posts: 2407 Location: UK
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 Re: The League in SO5
I think the more we discuss this and work around the ideas Rich has put forward the better it is for everyone. I don't think horses can now be restricted to one distance in listed/group races and once you have a mark from the maidens you should be able to run over more than one distance PROVIDING you are not taking the michael.
So you will be restricted to what distances you ran over in maidens, at least early on. You might have a 1m4 horse which you run in the Ebor late on or a 1m6 horse in the Melbourne Cup maybe. But let's not have trainers abusing the goodwill of others and hardwork of the league staff.
I also think choosing your stable will be much harder and more important too. Give Rich time to knock a schedule up and then together as a group of adults we can discuss it along with the other proposals.
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Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:14 am |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15179 Location: Republic of Ireland
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 Re: The League in SO5
keithbeaky wrote: I think the more we discuss this and work around the ideas Rich has put forward the better it is for everyone. I don't think horses can now be restricted to one distance in listed/group races and once you have a mark from the maidens you should be able to run over more than one distance PROVIDING you are not taking the michael.
So you will be restricted to what distances you ran over in maidens, at least early on. You might have a 1m4 horse which you run in the Ebor late on or a 1m6 horse in the Melbourne Cup maybe. But let's not have trainers abusing the goodwill of others and hardwork of the league staff.
I also think choosing your stable will be much harder and more important too. Give Rich time to knock a schedule up and then together as a group of adults we can discuss it along with the other proposals. Agree with all matt i like the idea of 15 low maintence and means 1 trainer cant dominate the distance issue - with horses being mor adaptable and versitile in so5 think we need to ditch that rule but agree just hope no one abuses it
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Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:02 am |
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leonvr
Group 1 winner
Joined: Wed May 14, 2008 2:50 pm Posts: 2483
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 Re: The League in SO5
Distance rule has to go. Racing over 1 distance makes no sense with horses able to get a variety of distances in So5. Have the same horses doing best times over a number of distances.
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Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:41 pm |
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mwesty1
Group 1 winner
Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2009 6:52 pm Posts: 2092 Location: WOLVERHAMPTON
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 Re: The League in SO5
I disagree actually, l think the schedule should be made with no inbetween distances races, example:- 1m1f, 1m3f 1m5f. these races are not needed in my opinion.
The other rule is horses for 1 distance, totally agree. I think week 1 and 2 should be maidens only. You can race your horse at 2 distances only in this week. After the 2nd week you then decide which distance your horse shows better in and you stick with it. Example l run my horse at 1m4f comes 10th staying on. i run at 1m6f and it comes 2nd. I then run at 1m6f race and that is the distance the horse has to stick with. This takes away the people who say my trials was wrong you can actually see where your horse runs better. if you run at 1m4f then you must stick at that.
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Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:13 pm |
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simpleminds
Group 1 winner
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:56 pm Posts: 5742 Location: uk
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 Re: The League in SO5
Everything being talked about is the flat schedule which i am not bothering with are we leaving the jumps alone ? if not could you put some info for the jumps rich not everyone is just playing the flat will it be 15 max for jumps? and if so why. We have more distances over jumps covering 2m to the grand national.
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Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:14 pm |
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leonvr
Group 1 winner
Joined: Wed May 14, 2008 2:50 pm Posts: 2483
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 Re: The League in SO5
1 distance is a load of crap in my opinion. Have same horse doing best times from 9f to 13fin ck and my best juvenile is best from 5f to 8f in ck. And Nh the spread is even wider. Horse gets 4m4 and 3m2f. SO5 has been changed so horses are more versatile over a variety of distances
and I would like to still see races like the cambridgeshire and bunbury cup
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Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:06 pm |
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DocHay
Group 3 winner
Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:46 pm Posts: 582
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 Re: The League in SO5
scrap the one distance rule, totally unrealistic
guineas winner can run in the derby imo
some restrictions in handicaps maybe but group horses should be able to run at whatever distance the trainer wants, as everyone is saying, horses in so5 are much more versatile distance wise, common sense should be pretty simple to impliment, a horse running over 5f in maidens then stepping up to 1m2 for a handicap is easy to throw out.
I like the idea that you could run in 1m maidens and get a nice mark for a 1m2 handicap, if everyone can do it then there is no unfair advantage and it adds realism to the league aswell.
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:42 pm |
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