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Are the ratings for the flat done then? If so when are they uploaded/completed? I've been looking through but I can't seem to find where/when flat ratings will be updated! :roll:

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Half are done SuperCat, will have them done for Wednesday midday, and Matt normally has them in TOM by Thursday or Friday I think.

If you want to know a specific rating tell me the horse and ill let you know when I can.

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Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:28 pm
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Excellent, thank you. I think I can wait, as long as you're nice to my horses! :wink:

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DocHay wrote:
No disrespect to the Guineas winners but both were false races and a nightmare to rate, line through them, hopefully there is a decent pace on at the Curragh and Ascot.


Yes but a win is a win :). You know Scatters had a point when he trained all those front runners. It's still a viable strategy and I have some ideas as to how it might work.. now I have to find some time to breed :P


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This doesn't make sense to me. Did you have the 10 and 12f swapped around.


She is a 14/16f horse in my game and as a result went into my 14/16 furlongs trials. I put her into the 12f trial when trialing my entries for the entries for the week. She demolished them. She is actually better over 12f in the ck but wasn't in the game. strange.

AKHC you doing really well. But I feel you could have dominated like Scatters. However I'm sure you will sort this out for next season.

Remember that my flat horses are the ones that didn't make my NH team. Quite a few are NH bred and as a result their first runs were at 4. Broken Chain for example is an unraced 3 year old. I think she will need 12f in the league. Will see how she goes stepped up in distance. my older horses 5/6 are way better than my 3 year olds. I would say by about 3 to 5 lengths


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same as i am going to start breeding handy horses
for season 2


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you don't need handy horses but horses that can go to the front if there is no pace. I have a few of those in both leagues. A good example is Tahiti who is an even pace horse who often lands up in front in my trials.

If you have a pacemaker then you won't see a horse do this so you will not have any of these types of horses in your stable and there is a good chance that you will breed this characteristic out of your lines

A lot of mine can run with different tactics


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you don't need handy horses but horses that can go to the front if there is no pace. I have a few of those in both leagues. A good example is Tahiti who is an even pace horse who often lands up in front in my trials.

If you have a pacemaker then you won't see a horse do this so you will not have any of these types of horses in your stable and there is a good chance that you will breed this characteristic out of your lines

A lot of mine can run with different tactics


did you read the piece in the UKRA Times Trevor Denman Watch out


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did you read the piece in the UKRA Times Trevor Denman Watch out


lol yes thanks must be all the commentary I have listened to over the years


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It seems that there is one major factor in the game once you enter the league, when you put it in all them seasons training horses that race near the pace it is incredibly hard to catch them if you have slight hold up horses in your stable, In the last season i participated in i concentrated on handy and even pace horses and had my best season ever so it does work.

Scatters had a lot of horses that were Handy types and he cleared up. Just wondering if you put in all your efforts on slight hold up and hold up horses would they then become very superior at that racing style. Only problem is having the luck in running when having these types of horses in your yard.


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She is a 14/16f horse in my game and as a result went into my 14/16 furlongs trials. I put her into the 12f trial when trialing my entries for the entries for the week. She demolished them. She is actually better over 12f in the ck but wasn't in the game. strange.

AKHC you doing really well. But I feel you could have dominated like Scatters. However I'm sure you will sort this out for next season.

Remember that my flat horses are the ones that didn't make my NH team. Quiet a few a NH bred and as a result there first runs where at 4. Broken Chain for example is an unraced 3 year old. I think she will need 12f in the league. Will see how she goes stepped up in distance. my older horses 5/6 are way better than my 3 year olds. I would say by about 3 to 5 lengths


As you know the game doesn't really reflect CK especially once you're crossbreeding distances. Both Arani and Taran are rated 1m by the game but they do best at 1m2. I have horses that are capable of running fastest times at 3 distances from 1m4 to 2m but consistency is the key word there which is why they aren't in the league team.

I don't think I would ever have dominated. There are too many good trainers. If I had to do it over again the only ones I might change are the 7/8f horses. At 5/6f it's a flat out sprint anyway. Anything longer than 10f and I think there's enough distance for the horses to close the gap and they have enough speed at the end as long as the are not boxed in. 7/8f I might have gone with race handy horses maybe. I do know with my current crop that the race handy horses at 7/8f are .2-.3s off the fastest and they sometimes fade away very badly. And with what other trainers had it was a calculated risk as having those race handy horses I felt would leave them open to be passed in the end. Anyway there's a long way to go yet and I might swap some out at week 5 but I don't think we can say on the basis of two slow guineas races.

As to 3 vs older, so far this is how it looks for me

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Mostly maidens and some run against lesser horses because of that but I'm very interested to see what happens as things progress. Certainly the Al Quoz, Golden Shaheen and Duke of York Stakes suggest that at the shorter distances the 3 year olds are better.


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Fugitive Motel put in a huge performance, serious horse but ive got her 3 pounds behind the top 3yo Tatosi, would love to see them both in the King George.

Its early days still but ive thought from the start that there is more depth in the 3yo division.

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It seems that there is one major factor in the game once you enter the league, when you put it in all them seasons training horses that race near the pace it is incredibly hard to catch them if you have slight hold up horses in your stable, In the last season i participated in i concentrated on handy and even pace horses and had my best season ever so it does work.

Scatters had a lot of horses that were Handy types and he cleared up. Just wondering if you put in all your efforts on slight hold up and hold up horses would they then become very superior at that racing style. Only problem is having the luck in running when having these types of horses in your yard.


IMO SO5's CK engine is slightly different. Maybe I am wrong but I see a consistent trend across all distances longer than 5/6f where the race handy horses go just that slightly slower in the really fast paced race at the end and the race even ones catch up and pass them. The margins are small and I think the balance is right in the slower races the race handy horses do win. But then again you have the question of what pace is. Even the fastest league pace would be pedestrian compared to my pacemakers.

At the end of the day I honestly believe that it's a question of how fast a horse can run that matters and there is enough variability in results that no horse can ever win all the time as the variability in time from race to race for a horse is larger than what the effect of superiority has. Even now I have horses from 6 generations ago that can win races against my current generation due to this variability of times.


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DocHay wrote:
Fugitive Motel put in a huge performance, serious horse but ive got her 3 pounds behind the top 3yo Tatosi, would love to see them both in the King George.

Its early days still but ive thought from the start that there is more depth in the 3yo division.


Depends on going. Ruhanga may well get the nod over Tatosi at Ascot.


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Fugitive Motel has a full ground adaptability bar as do all of mine. Fugitive Motel can go different distances but I expected these to be 14 to 18 f not 12f. She is better than all my 2 milers but runs phenomenal times for 12f (in the the 2.31's for Ascot). Like I said she is more of a monster than I thought

I have some good ones who lead from start to finish over longer distances. Might upload some when I bin all my 3 year olds bar All abut Eve. We will see how Dark Regime goes over the correct distance. 12f is too short but he still ran ok.

All my horses below 9f aren't very good. I think this is to do with breeding primarily for NH.


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