I am quite disappointed at the amount of horses running over different distances in handicaps to those that they ran in the maidens. The guidelines were made quite clear before week two maidens. Ok you might not have had room to run the horse again in a maiden, or you had other horses that needed a run in week two, but some horses have run in both weeks of maidens at two different trips and now try a THIRD distance in a handicap. I really dont think this is on, but thats just my opinion.


Also several trainers have run horse A over 7f in maiden and now runs in a handicap over 8f. Yet horse B, from the same stable, ran in an 8f maiden and now runs in a 7f handicap. I really hope that these horses have not deliberately been placed like this and it is just my conspiracy mind at work.


None of the above is aimed at the any of the new trainers, though please do take note, and it is not a dig at people either. But the work that Rich and others put in for the league is tiring and very time consuming. The last thing they need is to be determining whether someone is trying it on or not.

I agree with you on first point Matt, imo all horses that are racing at a 3rd distance should be scratched from that race.

Your 2nd point (and I may be guilty of this) is a little different.

I am in no way trying to con the handicapper (not sure we have one anyway), have you seen how crap my horses are?
My understanding was that we could race at 2 distances adjacent to each other.


Matt

There needed to be more maidens at the popular distances, i.e 8f, 10f and 12f.

Plus when I uploaded my horses I was led to believe that a horse could race 2f either side of its stated preferred distance and it wasn't until later that we found out about the handicap/maiden rule.

Ok I have a horse which will run at 1m. I also have a horse which runs at 7f. WHY have I entered the 1m horse into a 7f maiden and the 7f horse into a 1m maiden in the same week? Im sorry but that is blatantly trying to deceive imo

More maidens at a popular distance DID happen. Also it was explained before upload that there was no point uploading 5 horses for the same distance within the same age group. I will admit I did tell new trainers that you were allowed to run 1f either side of your maiden run, but never 2f. The new trainers could possibly be allowed some slack, I hope so.


BTW I am not involved in making any decisions about any of the points made. Like I said Im just disappointed that some, especially more experienced trainers, have entered horses at a new distance to their maiden runs. However there are some cases where trainers ran a horse at say 1m3, thinking it would win/place, and therefore not be eligible for a handicap which now run in a 1m4 handicap off a mark in the 80's. This I can understand as they were in no way trying to deceive as they would expect the horse to be running in a listed/group race over 1m4 on their second run.

This is also a discussion and i am in no way right. The way forward is to see what trainers feel is fair

i agree with ou totally mate i was led to believe weeks b4 the off that you had 1f Amnesty ether side of best distance

then when we were underway the rules changed

now i no the rules i believe i have followed them to the tee this week apart from a few who are not rated quite high enough to get in race
but rich know's about this

i dont think i have any entered that are outside there maiden run distances well i do but at listed level but not
in handicaps.

yes i agree with you

it could be just down to poor team management
or as you say someone is just trying it on

all this should have been ironed out b4 start i was def told there is a 1f amesty

I personally did spread my team out regarding age, sex and preferred distance. Example, I got a 2yo filly who performed well over 6,7 and 8f in my trials, so I put her preferred distance down as 7 on the understanding she was eligible for those 3 distances. I'm guessing that goes out the window now if she run a maiden over 1m?

louis i did the same i built my whole team round the 1f either side amesty i picked types that were good over different distances
i picked versitile horses over different distances because of the 1f rule



but after the start the goalposts were moved

i have a lovley 2yo who is very good over 6 7 & 8f too i did the same registered the best distance at 7f so now she can only run at 7f

biut i guess we all no the new rules now

Yeah, I guessed I wouldn't be the only one.

I did manage to manage to sort it out for week 2 as a few others did. I'd just like to say though that if any of my horses are placed in races they are not meant to be then it ain't down to me cheating, its me not being able to get my head round the rules!

I guess you need a different mindset for the league. The maiden are not there just for a run, as they are in the game. (Or I've got THAT completely wrong due to not having a scooby about the rules )

Either way, not gonna poo my pants if I get disqualified. Tis a game after all.

I dont know why we dont have maidens right through to week 12 2 or 3 races per week i would like to see more maidens in later weeks i am sure plenty of trainers would like to have runners ranning in maidens lots of good horse's that ain't good enough for group /listed races and to high in the handicaps.

great idea

I'm still not entirely sure what the rules ( or guidelines ) are on handicap entries but I may have contravened them in race 21. Dynamic Pixie ran over 1m2f in week 1 and won its maiden, its next race would have been week 5 so I thought I would enter it in a 1m1f handicap which didn't have very many entries.
Considering it will be carrying top weight and is running 1f short of its best I don't think there should be too many complaints.................unless it wins of course, small field, false pace, oh dear what have I done.

I think common sense just needs to be applied when looking who has entered what where and if they should be cut or not.

well a lot of my horses show in trials over various trips on consistant occasions especially my stayers i havnt a clue what their best trips are and dont want to run them now for being accused of cheating!!

Jalupen, just run them since they should have 2f up and down from their optimum distance. You won't be accused of cheating.

Because of the handicaping problem I'm sure Rich will be a little aesy as long you don't go outside the range.

Cheers