Where is your evidence Matt?

Tell me last season who had 4 horses over 2m+? You only had 3. And now you want to design a schedule around the fact you want 4? Off all the stables last season I can only find one that had 4 horses over 2m+ and that's Leon and we know most of his horses were NH castoffs. No one else had 4 2m+ horses. Here's some homework for you . Find out how many stables last season had 4 horses at 5/6f. And how many actually had 4+ 5/6f horses.

How about this for evidence. Let's count up the number of horses for every stable last season. And which horses will there be more off 5/6f or 2m+? Feel free to do the count if you want evidence . I've glanced through these last week and I know what the looked like but I'll work these numbers out later so you have your evidence.

Matt the evidence based on last season is there are a heck of a lot more 5/6f horses than 2m+ horses and that includes the novice trainers.

The way you want to have races for 2m+ horses you're going to need more than 390 races. 2m+ horses even if there were races with quite a few runners are a small proportion of what stables actually have in reality and I'm drawing up the schedule to reflect that. But if you are insisting on having those races including all those maidens, tell me how you would break down the 390 races please. I'll be more than happy to look through your numbers and if they add up well modify what I am planning.

The season just gone

2m Handicaps:

Week3 Race22 Willie Park Trophy 2m 0-90 Nine runners
Week4 Race25 Opinion Poll Hcap 2m 0-110 Fourteen runners
Week5 Race29 War Kills Hcap 2m 0-80 Thirteen runners
Week6 Race10 Northumberland Plate 0-110 Twelve runners
Week7 No race
Week8 No race
Week9 Race17 On and On Hcap 1m7.5f 0-90 Six runners
Week10 Race27 Noble Prince Hcap 2m 0-110 Sixteen runners
Week11 Race26 Ghost Hcap 2m 0-80 Three runners(one of cdean's two winners)
Week12 Race8 Melbourne Cup 2m G1 hcap Seventeen runners

So there could be a race in both week7 and week8.

2m2 handicaps:
Week3 Race10 Chester Cup 2m2 0-110 Twelve runners
Week4 Race26 Double Trigger hcap 2m2 0-80 Five runners
Week5 No race
Week6 No race
Week7 Race28 Simpleminds hcap 2m2 0-80 Nine runners
Week8 No race
Week9 Race27 Ces trial hcap 2m2 0-110 Ten runners
Week10 Race20 Bet at Betfair 2m2 0-80 Five runners(cdean's other winner)
Week11 Race10 Ces hcap 2m2 0-110 Eleven runners

You could add a 0-100 in week5 or week6?

2m4+ handicaps:
Week3 Race20 Ponte Marathon 2m5.5f 0-90 Three runners
Week5 Race 20 Queen Alex 2m5.5f 0-110 Ten runners
Week6 Race27 Scatters is gone 2m4 0-80 Three runners
Week7 Race13 Goodwood hcap 2m5 0-100 Four runners
Week8 Race26 Stay All Day hcap 2m4 0-100 Six runners
Week9 Race29 Cheats hcap 2m4 0-80 Three runners
Week11 Race29 Sydney Cup 2m4 G1 hcap Eleven runners
Week12 Race18 Ponte Stayers 2m4 0-110 Eleven runners

Now there are too many races there with small fields, although two trainers have said they wouldn't want those races scrapped as it gives them a good chance of a winner. The problem was that there wasn't enough maidens over 2m4 to get horses qualified for the races, especially over 2m5 where Leon had to manually enter horses.

I wont be doing any homework I dont need to. I edited the schedule again and again to provide balance and include what trainers asked for. If you want to build a schedule to a stable that has no stayers then off you go. How you cant see my point I have no idea.

So far you've gone on about Rich, who passed me a schedule that wasn't half finished, and Joe who was the handicapper. I monitored the schedule throughout the season on where it lacked races and needed improvement. I can give you a balanced and non biased view on it. There were big holes in it and also some glaring mistakes, it can be improved a lot.

Your theory about fewer maidens is also off. If anything we needed more. And that was also the demand.

Number of horses by distance last season.

So to balance it out we would need to have 3x the races for 5/6f horses compared to 15f+ horses.

You don't provide any numbers to back up your theories unfortunately. It's not about who shouts the loudest. It's about what horses the trainers are entering into the league and providing a fair schedule for all trainers not just those who want 2m+ races

What evidence do you have for having that many 2m+ races Matt?

Someone uploaded a 1m7 horse?

My numbers dont back up my shouting? I cant be bothered anymore. You scrap most of those races I listed then.


I trust you're cutting the 5f and 14f races accordingly Whats that you're increasing both?

Well feel free to make suggestions.. however don't be upset if the figures don't make those suggestions viable.

Are you bitter at me winning the trainers championship? Is that the problem?

Again you miss the point there are 60 5/6 f races. They will be divided with the majority being 6f races of course.

As for 1m4f races a lot of the 1m3f horses can run in those given the distance variability.

As I've said before I'm willing to listen but the suggestions have got to make sense to what everyone is entering not just a selected few.

Ambleside 5yo stallion 1m7f Firmish 105
Laver Winter 3yo filly 1m7f Firmish 77
Ange Winter 5yo stallion 1m7f Firmish 99
Oak Victory Sash 4yo colt 1m7f Good 108
Tiny Feet 5yo mare 1m7f Good 90
Mccoys 3yo colt 1m7f Softish 82
Gothica 4yo filly 1m7f Softish 103


The 1m7f horses

Matt I don't care about that.. I never have.

This is about making a schedule that suits the majority of horses being entered. Tell me how you can justify having so many 2m+ races when there are just a few 65/768 horses that will contest those races? 37 races just about fits those numbers.

Yeah I dont know if you noticed but I listed the 2m+ races from last season? What is your reasoning for scrapping some of those races?

The number of horses at 1m7f+ = 65/768 = 8.5% of horses. 8.5% of 390 races = 33 races

do we not need to discuss this more b4 we scrap anything i didnt even know Andy was doing a sched
but glad someone has come forward to look at it

Good luck with the schedule. You'll need it

Now obvuiously 1m/1m1 horses will have the most races wont they? Wont they?

Hi Paul

I did state in one of the earlier posts I was going to go ahead. As for discussion feel free to make suggestions. I'll listen to the majority of course but I'm planning to redo the schedule based on the stats I have already posted earlier. As for cutting some of the 2m+ races, yes I plan to but there were 46 races at 2m+ last season out of 354 total. That's 13% of races. I've shown that there were only 8.5% of 768 horses entered into the league that would be racing in those and as such I think it's reasonable to cut back on those.

What would you suggest Paul (anyone else reading). I think the proportion of horses to races is wrong at that distance. However of course there's no certainty that the past is predictive of the future but if we're going to have to make some changes then it's a reasonable starting point I think.