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ghostzapper74
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:03 am Posts: 4146 Location: Wales
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 Re: Flat : Talk Reaction Banter
pjrhodes1970 wrote: Quote: I still cant get my head round why a top trainer would hold a horse back after 1 run just to win an online horse race it just seems going to extremes to me.
I am sad that Matt withdrew it was probably my fault but do feel i had to stand up for what i think is right for the lower level trainers even though i did it in the wrong manner i do apologise for that. I don't/cant believe why people would go to that extremes just to win a race/title. It's a bloody game it's suppose to be Fun. I think u should have downgraded the prize money of them races and then they wouldn't have been worth cheating for.
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:21 pm |
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keithbeaky
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:47 pm Posts: 2407 Location: UK
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 Re: Flat : Talk Reaction Banter
Good to see people still think i cheated. Glad thats all been sorted out. And other trainers wonder why i haven't entered. Absolute joke
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:28 pm |
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ghostzapper74
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:03 am Posts: 4146 Location: Wales
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 Re: Flat : Talk Reaction Banter
keithbeaky wrote: Good to see people still think i cheated. Glad thats all been sorted out. And other trainers wonder why i haven't entered. Absolute joke I didn't say u cheated, it was with in the rules. Why not get u arse back in the game and prove that u can win without cheating/ or whatever. Just play the bloody game. And the same goes for everyone else who's spat the dummy out over the last few weeks.
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:32 pm |
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keithbeaky
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:47 pm Posts: 2407 Location: UK
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ghostzapper74 wrote: pjrhodes1970 wrote: i see there is no Andy very surprised about that and see Matt has withdrawn
the championship is well and truly wide open this term think Nashwan & Jalupen will be big players this season 27 trainers for the flat should be a very competitive lge What happened to Andy???? I know Matt spat the dummy out yesterday. I had a look at Last years Royal Ascot Results And I was surprised to see them two dominate like they did. I think without them it will be wide open all season long. And u was right yesterday because I've had a look at the Schedule and there more than enough options for stayers to run in 3 or more races, Group races and h'caps. Spat the dummy out yesterday? I spat the dummy out mid way through last season and then again after a member of the league team was able to call me a cheat with no evidence and nothing was done about it. Oh then again after that when Jamie stepped up to be President yet he isn't allowed to enter the league. Ridiculous. The trouble is most of you cant even see whats in front of your face. I posted many times before the first season asking for clarification on the rules. Paul as President should have dealt with that, but he didn't. Post season one I have AGAIN posted many times suggesting the rules should be set in stone and there for everyone to see. Where are they? To run a 3yo 2m4 horse where could I get three runs? Bear I mind I have changed some of the races to help out with the three run rule at other distances but you will struggle with a 3yo at 2m4. Call me a cheat again and I'll have to ask something be done as you are breaking forum rules.
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:36 pm |
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keithbeaky
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:47 pm Posts: 2407 Location: UK
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 Re: Flat : Talk Reaction Banter
ghostzapper74 wrote: pjrhodes1970 wrote: Quote: I still cant get my head round why a top trainer would hold a horse back after 1 run just to win an online horse race it just seems going to extremes to me.
I am sad that Matt withdrew it was probably my fault but do feel i had to stand up for what i think is right for the lower level trainers even though i did it in the wrong manner i do apologise for that. I don't/cant believe why people would go to that extremes just to win a race/title. It's a bloody game it's suppose to be Fun. I think u should have downgraded the prize money of them races and then they wouldn't have been worth cheating for. Yeah?
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:37 pm |
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ghostzapper74
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:03 am Posts: 4146 Location: Wales
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 Re: Flat : Talk Reaction Banter
If u want to play the game....then play the game.
If not then what more can anyone say.
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:47 pm |
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keithbeaky
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:47 pm Posts: 2407 Location: UK
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 Re: Flat : Talk Reaction Banter
pjrhodes1970 wrote: Quote: And u was right yesterday because I've had a look at the Schedule and there more than enough options for stayers to run in 3 or more races, Group races and h'caps. I Was really concerned that a top trainer could hold a horse back (only having 1 run) and soup up in a g1 handicap final to me that's totally unfair its not cheating but it is ungentlemanly & far from fair play and would take the chance of a lower level trainer winning a g1. thats why i invented the g1 handicap finals Matt did this last season and by his comment yesterday which may have been made in jest i saw red and came over as been aggressive or childish i should have put over my concerns in a better way Sometimes the worst in you can be bought out but my concerns were genuine and i see Gray said literally the same thing but in a far more eloquent way yesterday. I still cant get my head round why a top trainer would hold a horse back after 1 run just to win an online horse race it just seems going to extremes to me. I am sad that Matt withdrew it was probably my fault but do feel i had to stand up for what i think is right for the lower level trainers even though i did it in the wrong manner i do apologise for that. You should look around the forum and see who it has been asking for the three run rule for the last few weeks. You might be surprised but it has been me. Its largely fallen on deaf ears. The trouble you have is the schedule. Running in Group races does NOT help lower trainers to win a G1 hcap as their horses will get inflated marks. Surely you understand that? Its no good using your horse as an example as it was a Group horse. My comment yesterday was after yours. I had no intention of running horses once then winning most of the G1 finals. None of you still realise how I planned the G1 handicap wins last season. How many runs did Acca Pulco have before winning TWO G1 finals. She was about 20lbs well in come the last week yet had run in the Northumberland Plate, Ebor and another top handicap. Did I somehow manipulate those races? My aim last season was to win the title. I admit I did everything I could to achieve that and with hindsight wish i had run Ama Seeing in other 2m handicaps in which he would have got beat. But yes I did use every trick in I knew, which was targeting the worlds richest races. I was never going to beat AKHC on winners alone. This season my aim was to win a lot of top handicaps and even try to get one horse to win two or more. I had no intention of running a horse in one maiden and then heading straight to Australia. If you think back I have been all about the lower trainers from day one. The schedule last season was edited so many times on request of trainers, yet anytime I comment on this seasons schedule im out of order. I never complained once over trainers criticising the schedule i made because it was the best for the league. Last season saw the highest number of different winning trainers every and also the highest % of trainers with one win or more. I was probably more proud of that than winning the title. My problems came from Steve constantly trying to cause trouble and taking the piss out of all of us and then Joe trying to convince everyone I had cheated. And the trouble is he did convince quite a few people. What has been done about this? Absolutely nothing. And dont say Joe has apologised because he hasn't. And he'd already done it once to Andy. Then people came out and said they wouldn't enter the league with Jamie being President and it was probably him who helped me to cheat. In my opinion Jamie should have not been president and entered the league but he chose to remain president and not enter his horses at no benefit to himself. Personally i think its out of order that he hasn't entered. How come no one had a problem with Rich being President? He has great horses, horses better than AKHC's. Its a shame he cant enter them and we'll never see them.
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:56 pm |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15179 Location: Republic of Ireland
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 Re: Flat : Talk Reaction Banter
Quote: My aim last season was to win the title. I admit I did everything I could to achieve that and with hindsight wish i had run Ama Seeing in other 2m handicaps in which he would have got beat. But yes I did use every trick in I knew, which was targeting the worlds richest races. I was never going to beat AKHC on winners alone. This season my aim was to win a lot of top handicaps and even try to get one horse to win two or more. I had no intention of running a horse in one maiden and then heading straight to Australia. not wishing to push things or go over old ground Matt but what did you actually mean by this Quote: It will have to be one run for a G1 handicap as there aren't enough races to make it three. So yes watch out for more ungentlemanly conduct from me. to me i just came across as you intended to do the same thats how it sounds & then when you said it will have to be 1 run and you are not even involved in running of the lge prob was main reason why i reacted like i did but fair enough if it was not your intention to do so i picked it up all wrong as for having a 3yo 2m4 horse would it not be better having a 4yo+ 2m4 horse its rare to have 2m4 3yo realistically it doesn't happen
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:34 pm |
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keithbeaky
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:47 pm Posts: 2407 Location: UK
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What bit dont you understand? Say what you like, I wont react badly.
My comment was sarcastic as you had already used the ungentlemanly conduct line. Im probably fed up of the constant digs, though maybe i misinterpreted you
Trainers have uploaded 3yo 2m4 horses. So realistically it does happen.
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:46 pm |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15179 Location: Republic of Ireland
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keithbeaky wrote: What bit dont you understand? Say what you like, I wont react badly.
My comment was sarcastic as you had already used the ungentlemanly conduct line. Im probably fed up of the constant digs, though maybe i misinterpreted you
Trainers have uploaded 3yo 2m4 horses. So realistically it does happen. You said last week when someone else was having a go at you that you were fed up with it all i said then why not stay away and avoid any further grievances if you are so fed up with everything why come back and continue to put yourself through it i am not telling you to stay away and don't come back but you keep saying how fed up you are you have no entries in lge and not involved with the running of things so why are you coming back every few days when you state how annoyed you are with things my intentions were not to attack you yesterday i apologise if you felt that i no me and you are never going to be going out for a beer anytime soon let alone be friends but i never have meant you any harm its just we wind each other up sometimes a fault of mine is i speak my mind when i should keep my mouth shut i have plenty of fault but i can admit them i am just been open and honest here with you Matt i have never fallen out with anyone in my life and i am proud of that fact i again apologise to you Matt i honestly have nothing against you
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:55 pm |
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pauloneill
Handicapper
Joined: Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:35 pm Posts: 170
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pjrhodes1970 wrote: UKRA CHAMPION TRAINER SEASON 2 SO5 AKHC (with a run) 7/4 Leon van Rensburg 10/3 Matt (with a run) 4/1 Nashwan (with a run) 9/2 Jalupen (with a run) 5/1 James Follis 6/1 Nick Driver 8/1 david robertson 10/1 James Harrison 12/1 Grayham Clutterbuck 16/1 Peter Cahill 20/1 Paul Rhodes 20/1 Martyn Cairns 22/1 Sam Darby 25/1 Keenan Brown 33/1 Liam Elvidge 40/1 Matt Mclean 80/1 john morgan 50/1 Chris Dean 100/1 Darren Thompson 100/1 Rod McClure 125/1 Thomas Rogers 150/1 Satyam Sandrasegaren 500/1 James Wheeler 500/1
Place your bets Ladies & Gents E/w Terms 1/3 1,2,3,4,5 other on request odds based on size of squad and previous successes Max bet £50 win or £25 e/w Book may be changed before close on saturday at 12am Max bets 5 X £10 win or 5 x £5 E/W state price if you want the odds bit of pre season fun Why am I not on the list? Judging by the trials I would make myself 1000/1. So I want to get the value while I can. 
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:02 pm |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15179 Location: Republic of Ireland
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list was made on friday i never got time to update
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:04 pm |
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leonvr
Group 1 winner
Joined: Wed May 14, 2008 2:50 pm Posts: 2483
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Quote: Ante Post Odds For Thr Derby
Mozamyar (Shadwell) 3-1F Green Man (Julupen) 5-1 Brain Tree ( Paul) 6-1 Palace Stranger ( Leon) 6-1 Prenium (Harrison) 12-1 Hard Case ( Robertson) 12-1 Amas busy Tears(Keenan) 20-1 Dance Troop ( Clutter) 20-1 Pop the Question ( Clutter) 20-1 Le Dangereuse( Cairns) 20-1
Bar 33-1 Just a warning the derby will be too short for Palace Stranger. I don't really have anything for the Derby. However I fancy Home Made strongly for the Oaks  Great idea by the way.
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:09 pm |
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ghostzapper74
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:03 am Posts: 4146 Location: Wales
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leonvr wrote: Quote: Ante Post Odds For Thr Derby
Mozamyar (Shadwell) 3-1F Green Man (Julupen) 5-1 Brain Tree ( Paul) 6-1 Palace Stranger ( Leon) 6-1 Prenium (Harrison) 12-1 Hard Case ( Robertson) 12-1 Amas busy Tears(Keenan) 20-1 Dance Troop ( Clutter) 20-1 Pop the Question ( Clutter) 20-1 Le Dangereuse( Cairns) 20-1
Bar 33-1 Just a warning the derby will be too short for Palace Stranger. I don't really have anything for the Derby. However I fancy Home Made strongly for the Oaks  Great idea by the way. Will do one later for the oaks.
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:03 pm |
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ghostzapper74
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:03 am Posts: 4146 Location: Wales
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Ante Post for the Oaks
Home Made (Leon) 5-1Jf Etizaaz (Shadwell) 5-1Jf Frozen In Time(Jalupen) 6-1 Trojan Forces (Paul) 8-1 Historic Fish ( Jalupen) 10-1 Must be the One(Harrison) 12-1 Silver Lulu ( Robertson) 12-1 Down for the count(Dean) 16-1 Never Give up ( Cahill) 20-1 Muffin the Mule(Meenaghan) 20-1 Cabin Queen (Clutterbuck) 20-1 Taffarel (Cairns) 25-1 Ema Gala Alci( Keenan) 33-1 User Friendly ( Mine) 33-1 Golden Touch (Driver) 33-1 Salsabil (Elvide) 40-1 Cat One ( Sirus) NR Wales (Thompson) 40-1
Good Luck Everyone.
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